If you know how to make anything using piperidine and you have a legitimate reason to do so you'd also know exactly how to start with other natural precursors. The ban only disadvantages people who have just just enough knowledge to be dangerous, which is obviously the point.
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I know exactly how to start from natural precursors but it's honestly an enormous waste of time for something you should be able to trivially get from Sigma or whatever is the non-overpriced supplier these days
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Why can't you get it, don't you have a reason to use it that is considered legitimate? After all it is the starting point for a lot of compounds, not just PCP. I think my point still stands about the ban being a good filter for only stopping dangerous fools.
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because precursor laws are stupid. technically, even conc sulfuric is scheduled over here, not that you can *actually* prevent its sale
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Again it only acts as a filter to the dangerously stupid, how is that any different from getting a gun or being able to drive a car or fly aircraft or be a Dr.? It is all about filters to reduce the number of fools doing stupid or dangerous things that could harm other people.
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because unlike (say) a driver license it doesn't actually make any sense. NaOH is in some ways more dangerous than H2SO4(conc) but you can get that in any amount. you can buy methylamine by the barrel here without so much as providing ID either. etc
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red P? sure. conc H2O2? cheaper by the barrel. hydrazine? as much as you want by mail order. H2SO4 is a no-no though can't have people messing with that
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Again that only acts as a filter for dangerously stupid people, you want the others blocked as well? Or all available, what about nuclear materials? So I can run my house electricity generator off a stirling engine using the heat from a big lump of plutonium, and no CO2 produced!
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you saw the nile red video and searched for the same thing I did
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no i'm working on a simple route towards substituted piperidines for like two years at this point lol
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he did have an alternative he used
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That's as an alternative to it as a catalyst tho, won't help a bit if you're trying to produce actual substituted piperidines
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and the ternary amine didn't work for him very well either, for that matter
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that paper is a joke, the synthesis described, while (i think) technically correct, is not anywhere near practical. it's pointless anyway, you can just use amphetamine (not meth-) as a decongestant directly without wasting a lot of it in the process
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huh, thanks for the added background on that :)
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selectively breed fire ants to produce it
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I've discovered that it is also useful for DNA sequencing (thx wikipedia). Your tweets are always a source of knowledge :D
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