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    1. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23

      today i walked for about 1 km. after that, i was gasping for air, didn't feel my legs, had tunnel vision, nearly lost balance, and was simultaneously freezing and sweating. i love antidepressants. sincerely. anxiety before clomipramine was way worse than its side effects

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    2. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23

      relevance here is that someone reminded me earlier that apparently some doctors claim that antidepressants are harmless. well, no. you get side effects unconditionally (they vary; clomipramine is one of the worst ones) but whether you get anything useful is more of a dice roll

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    3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23

      it's really depressing how many people calling themselves medical professionals consider it acceptable to lie for no reason at all. also how many are there just for the power trip. you'd think the field would have some ethical standards

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    4. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
      Replying to @whitequark

      I think, though often it is really due to incompetence and/or feeling of self importance, sometimes doctors almost have to lie because otherwise patients refuse to take drugs they need. Whether it is morally acceptable or not do decide for others, is another question altogether.

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    5. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
      Replying to @ScarletSejl @whitequark

      I'm telling that from my own experience: when I've been to mental institution, some people reacted to the explanations about bad side effects... well, pretty violently

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      whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
      Replying to @ScarletSejl

      revolutionary idea here: those people have a point

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        2. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          True when these people are not posing much higher than average danger to themselves and others.

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @ScarletSejl

          revolutionary idea number two: no one has a moral right (or an obligation) to prevent another human being from self-harm

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        4. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          From harm to others though?..

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @ScarletSejl

          i don't dispute that, but ethics of involuntary hospitalization and treatment in *that* case are way too complex to discuss on twitter

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        6. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          Agree. Just wanted to point out that in many cases (mis)information psychiatrists give doesn't result from "power trips", and isn't that easy a question either.

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        7. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @ScarletSejl

          oh I wasn't even talking about psychiatry specifically, doctors who lie and flat out ignore what their patients say are common in all fields. just today talked with someone whose gynecologist said she was lying about OC side effects. hence, power trip

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        8. (d)oni‏ @ScarletSejl Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          Then sorry, I misinterpreted you! What you described is sure unacceptable and a power trip (though I am not sure if it is always or even usually the case)

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        9. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @ScarletSejl

          not always, and as far as i can tell, not even usually, but one is enough; that person swore off prescription OCs entirely so that this wouldn't happen again. one bad apple etc

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