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    1. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      whitequark Retweeted julienPauli

      "Windows 95 was 30 MB" is such an ignorant, obnoxious, trite take. a triple buffered framebuffer (which you want for smooth scrolling) for my 4K display is 70 MB in *pixels alone*. Obviously a complete webpage with precomposed textures would take more.https://twitter.com/julienPauli/status/1042113172143067138 …

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      julienPauli @julienPauli
      "Windows 95 was 30Mb. Today we have web pages heavier than that! Google keyboard app routinely eats 150 Mb. Is an app that draws 30 keys on a screen really five times more complex than the whole Windows 95?" **Must Read** : http://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/ …
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    2. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      Slack should not eat 10 GB of RAM, but if you make bad faith comparisons like that, you're worse than actual luddites. Luddites had good points on labor versus capital, you're just pointlessly whining

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      whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      I'm sorry, my patience for lack of even a back-of-the-envelope validation of tech nostalgia rants runs very low these days

      11:40 PM - 22 Sep 2018
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        2. NoNiMad‏ @NoNiMad Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          I do agree with you about the fact that lots of comparisons or statements are of bad faith, but aren't you mixing memory consumption with size on disk? Because the 70MB pixels frames are in memory, not in the html, css and js files.

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @NoNiMad

          I've yet to see a website that downloads over 150 MB of html/css/js...

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        4. NoNiMad‏ @NoNiMad Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          150MB clearly not. 30MB is getting closer on heavy apps. Aren't you using a little bit of bad faith as well not admitting that webpages became *a lot* heavier during the last decade and that's the point of these sentences? Loading http://outlook.live.com  is 9MB and 228 requests.

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @NoNiMad

          How much of those 30 MB are things like high-resolution image assets and CJK-enabled fonts?

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        6. NoNiMad‏ @NoNiMad Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          151KB right after clearing cache and before selecting an email. Photo attached (in french, sorry, polices = fonts). 7.5MB in Javascript files... I still understand your point and even agree with it, just wanted to say the article has (sometimes) good points.pic.twitter.com/26FsHvE2P9

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        7. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @NoNiMad

          OK, but now let's compare it to the offline version of Outlook, which is what it is replacing. Let's also compare the gzipped version of JS with machine code, to be fair; machine code is almost uncompressible, JS is almost always sent gzipped. Still a lot?

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        8. NoNiMad‏ @NoNiMad Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          "the offline version" This... is a really good point. Works for a lot of web apps indeed. Having the browser do a lot of the work for us allowed to have more lightweight applications. Thanks for the nice talk! Now that I see the global pov, I'll think again about this.

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        9. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @NoNiMad

          also, browsers can directly support accessibility tools (like screen readers); big companies tend to support those in native applications too, but most other vendors don't bother

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        2. Furrtek‏ @furrtek Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          Are you mixing things up out of anger ? You're missing the point, and you're making things even more confusing. User has one goal, smooth years ago, sluggish or buggy today. Of course I'm nostalgic when buying a bus ticket at a kiosk today takes 3 whole minutes.

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @furrtek

          nope

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        1. Andrew Back‏ @9600 Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          I'm all for tech nostalgia and love ye olde architectures etc. But attention seeking glib hot takes, less so.

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        1. Artem Yakimenko‏ @Temikus Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          Hit the nail on the head there. I notice a considerable amount of people lack basic back-of-the-envelope calculation skills.

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        1. Real AI‏ @Luiz0x29A Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          also manual memory management, the theory of GC says that they won't use more than double the memory I'd prefer GC over memory leaks, buffer overflows and use after free any day

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        1. Luke  📡‏ @siriusfox Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          I don’t think you even need to be sorry. Patience is justly reserved for those who might reasonably benefit from its employment.

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        1. Sasha  🐑 💨 Koss‏ @kossnocorp Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          I'm with youhttps://prog.nocorp.me/post/the-problem-of-shitty-software-is-you-because-you-pay-for-this-shit-1u7fh8ftzwfhn …

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        1. Eyal Lotem  🔥‏ @EyalL Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          You can do smooth scrolling with a double buffer, that sits inside video memory. There's no reason to eat this amount of main memory for the pixels. The fact it's implemented on top of web tech, which is so bloated in the first place is the problem he's describing

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        1. 10x CodeRemover‏ @colourmeamused_ Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          Preach!

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