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    1. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      they say cats are playful when young and then aren't, "can't teach old [cat] new tricks", etc. but this isn't true when said about people, you can do a PhD at 80 if capitalism hasn't succeeded in draining all your life. on the other hand, if no one ever taught you anything but…

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    2. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      rather sterilized you instead of giving you a subdermal contraceptive implant ("docility is considered an advantage in pets", bleh, so no one cares enough to market these for cats) you probably wouldn't do that #catcognition

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    3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      you can literally just use the same subdermal levonorgestrel or etonogestrel implants they use for humans ("Nexplanon" etc) for cats, they're safe, effective, reversible, and don't cause major behavioral changes other than inhibiting estrus why the hell no one does??

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    4. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      (progestins work on male cats just as well. i mean, progestins work on male *humans* just as well, but they cause erectile dysfunction, so for some reason they don't sell like hotcakes. with that caveat, male oral contraceptives already exist and work)

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      whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22

      well i guess the answer is "nexplanon is $230 per implant [works a few years. designed for five but cat metabolism is different] and not covered by insurance, and sterilization is cheaper and everyone does it" but this answer fuckin sucks

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        2. Ross  🍔 Burger‏ @BurgrTamagotchi Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          Does it work on dogs too?

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @BurgrTamagotchi

          I've only looked up research on cats personally, but it made references to dogs, and just from the general principles it would likely work on most mammals that aren't like an elephant you'd want to triple check the dosages, safety and efficiency, of course.

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        4. Ross  🍔 Burger‏ @BurgrTamagotchi Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          Well, now I feel quite terrible about chopping up all my pets bits and pieces. I’m going to tell everyone I know about this.

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @BurgrTamagotchi

          tbh most of the fault here is not at you but at the vets, to whom this should be obvious and who should inform people of this. you probably didn't formally study physiology, we did, so the whole sterilization thing was immediately very fishy to me.

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        6. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark @BurgrTamagotchi

          cat oral contraceptives are literally just Provera dosage adjusted for body mass, there's no actual difference. so I looked up if anyone tried subdermal implants and guess what, they also work in the same way as on humans. which is exactly what I expected.

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        2. Peter Barfuss 𒀱‏ @bofh453 Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark

          random question: wouldn't sterilization + HRT work more-or-less as well? (or in the case of female cats, hysterectomy w/o oophorectomy, which seems like it'd be perfect here honestly).

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @bofh453

          sterilization + HRT: yes, but IME cats hate OCs because they're oily, and 15 years of daily administration or biweekly injections is... less optimal than an implant every 3-5 years hysterectomy (or tubal ligation) doesn't prevent estrus AND it never stops by itself because...

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        4. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark @bofh453

          ovulation can't happen, which is why vets (as far as I can tell) consider this procedure highly undesirable. also in theory progestin contraceptives would reduce total lifetime estrogen load and so risk of mammary (and uterine) cancer, though I am only making this…

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 23
          Replying to @whitequark @bofh453

          conclusion based on the analogy with human physiology and the fact that sterilization substantially reduces mammary cancer risk in cats.

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        2.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          I feel like the surgery costs more than that though.

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        3. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @crzwdjk

          depends on the country and I think insurance could cover it since it would potentially save them from major losses afterwards

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        4.  🚲 🚎 🥑‏ @crzwdjk Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          Yeah fair enough, I never actually had cats and didn't realize that cat insurance was even a thing.

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @crzwdjk

          I have no idea personally, it is apparently a thing in the US. here vets just don't charge a lot so I can't imagine being bothered to get insurance for routine stuff

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        2. Andrew Wygle‏ @awygle Sep 22
          Replying to @whitequark

          Most shelters won't let you adopt a cat that isn't sterilized in the US. I think that we used to have a big problem with accidental breeding followed by kitten neglect and Something Had To Be Done? Something like that.

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        3. Jernej Simončič‏ @jernej__s Sep 22
          Replying to @awygle @whitequark

          It's similar elsewhere. There are also programs to spay and neuter feral cats.

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        4. Andrew Wygle‏ @awygle Sep 22
          Replying to @jernej__s @whitequark

          All I really know about the whole thing is that Bob Barker used to advertise spay and neuter programs on The Price is Right.

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        5. whitequark‏ @whitequark Sep 22
          Replying to @awygle @jernej__s

          these programs *are* better than the alternative (cat overpopulation isn't exactly good for anyone involved), i'm talking about pet cats here.

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