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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
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    1. Kelsey D. Atherton‏ @AthertonKD 15 Apr 2018
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      it also assumes curiosity is only scientific curiosity, and misses the way that the same instinct feeds iterative discovery also feeds storytelling and then writing or any number of other disciplines beyond the narrow path plotted by Neil

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    2. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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      Nothing about that quote limits all childhood curiosity to just science. He’s speaking specifically about scientists. Children curious about art who nurture it into adulthood often become artists. Same with musicians, etc.

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    3. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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      And the argument that science is relatively new to humanity so therefore not a natural curiosity to children can be applied to any modern discipline or construct. Seems ridiculous to say children can’t have and inherent talent or curiosity for music, math, etc.

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    4. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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      The “science is new” argument sounds like this to me: “Saying children naturally want to communicate is ridiculous since written language wasn’t even invented until 3200BC”. Humanity builds on our innate abilities and invents new and better ways to express them.

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    5. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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      Seems energy would be better spent calling out those who wish to destroy instead of calling out those who wish to explore and create.

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    6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Apr 2018
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      Bad models of what science is do not further science. Science is an institution powered by people who have to undergo a lot of work to think differently than everybody else. If you think science is important you need to grasp that and its implications.

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    7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Apr 2018
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      If everyone was, deep down inside, some kind of scientist, it wouldn't require funding or education or anything else. But everyone is not a scientist (as is plainly obvious). It takes immense work to think and act scientifically. And immense resources to sustain actual science.

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    8. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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      This seems rather elitist to me. It also reminds me of the myth that learning math is more difficult than learning how to read. Children, as a whole, have much more potential than your argument seems to give them credit for. To me it’s about accessibility rather than platitudes.

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    9. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Apr 2018
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      It's not elitist to say that it takes hard work to get good at unintuitive, difficult things. That's the definition of education (and expertise). If you constrain education to the elite, then it's elitist.

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    10. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Apr 2018
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      It also does not have a whisper to say about the potential of children. Children have the potential to become scientists. If they are trained in how to think like scientists. It takes a lot of work. It is not natural at all. If it was, it wouldn't be so damned hard to accomplish!

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Apr 2018
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      (I guarantee you that my students — who are by an large STEM majors at the engineering school where I teach — would agree that being a scientist or engineer is not just about being creative or curious. It's about a LOT of hard work.)

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          (Our school motto: "Per aspera ad astra" = "Through adversity to the stars." At this point in the semester my students are feeling the "through adversity" part of it!)

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        2. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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          I had a choice between a BFA and a BS degree. I excelled at both. I chose the BFA. Both require hard work to attain success and a degree in either does not guarantee that success. I have a BFA but earn my living as a Software Engineer. Go figure.

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        3. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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          I think it’s a mistake to pigeonhole people and silo STEM and the arts. My experience in both showed me what they have in common and what students in each could benefit from by exploring the other. STEM without exposure to liberal arts is dangerous.

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        4. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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          And art without exposure to somebody like Stephen J Gould, for example, leaves the artist with a narrower understanding of the fragility of our existence.

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        5. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 15 Apr 2018
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          A huge problem w/ STEM right now is a lack of emphasis on liberal arts. Hubris & lack of ethics are already prevalent in science & tech at a time of rapid advancement. It’s only going to get worse w/ this current attitude that the arts are “lesser than” cerebrally & existentially

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        6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 16 Apr 2018
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          I am really not sure where you're going with all this. I am not in any way privileging STEM. It takes work to be ANYTHING. Including but not limited to scientists. I am a historian of science. I teach STEM majors how to think humanistically and care about the big picture.

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        7. Toast Magnate‏ @happierer 16 Apr 2018
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          I haven’t gone anywhere with this that isn’t already widely known, and if it sounds new to you, well then, there you go.

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