Alex WellersteinVerified account

And in the question of 2016 vs 365 — I'm averse to subscription models so I have not used 365 and am not planning to unless it becomes impossible not to. But definitely upgrade to 2016! Seriously. You will be much happier with it. 2008 is truly bad; 2016 is just "normal Word bad"

It’s still a nightmare of instability and incompatibility. Excel is probably the worst offender.

I had to use Boot Camp to run Excel inside Windows to finish a book project that relied heavily on Excel charts.

I haven't had incompatibility issues with Excel but I can believe it with the charts. Excel for Mac in general seems to straaaain under complex charts — something nasty goes on under the hood, methinks.

But for what it is worth, with Excel 2008 for Mac they forgot to put in the feature that would allow you to add text to charts. Office 2008 was full of crap like that — "oh, we didn't have time to add a basic feature, so we disabled it." Just amazingly poor, even for MS.

(The Mac version, specifically. Office 2008 is also where they just disabled all scripting because they didn't have time to upgrade it so it would work with changes to OS X. "Well, hope nobody uses scripts!" is how I imagine the developers' conversation.)

It’s frankly surprising that Apple never really upped their game with Pages and Number to compete with a software suite so ubiquitous but horrendous on their operating system. Everyone dropped the ball on professional Mac users not involved in video/photo editing.

I even tried OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Everything is crap. I know so many MacOS users writing academics papers or their thesis using a text editor & a markup language now. I tried [& failed] to learn R to overcome the awfulness of MacOS Excel.