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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

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    Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Apr 2018
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    Question for the missile experts. For the Polaris A1 missile — would the RV have had the little guidance part or just the RV in its final descent? Trying to make a diagram but finding not much information on this front.pic.twitter.com/XBxRV6uyXL

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      2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Apr 2018
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        (And if the answer is "nobody knows or cares" that's useful too. I just want to make sure I'm not making some kind of graphical faux pas here.)

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Apr 2018
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        This image seems to exaggerate the size a bit but gets at the issue. Is the guidance system part of final descent or does it jettison with the second stage?pic.twitter.com/nRVsHVn3B8

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        (I am leaning towards the guidance breaking off with Stage 2, for both turbulence and weight reasons.)

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      2. NotTheFakeNate‏ @NotTheFakeSkate 9 Apr 2018
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        What model RV was equipped? I forget?

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Apr 2018
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        Mk-1 RV

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      4. Simon Porter‏ @AscendingNode 9 Apr 2018
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        AFAIK Mk 1 RV had no active guidance; the shape of the RV is designed to be passively stable.

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      2. Michael Elleman‏ @EllemanIISS 9 Apr 2018
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        There was not post-boost guidance for Polaris A1. BTW, the oval shown on your drawing, in the guidance section is one of six thrust-termination ports for second stage.

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      3. Michael Elleman‏ @EllemanIISS 9 Apr 2018
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        Polaris A3 did not use thrust termination; it carried three RVs, though not independently targeted. The 'bus' also carried pen-aids and chaff, so it may have had some minimal 'guidance' capability. See Graham Spinardi's excellent book" "From Polaris to Trident" for some details.

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      4. Joe Cirincione‏Verified account @Cirincione 9 Apr 2018
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        .@EllemanIISS’s comments are an excellent example of how even basic missiles can defeat elaborate missile defenses. You don’t need hyper glide or hypersonic or “nuclear-powered” cruise missiles. Look at what we were doing with Polaris.

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      2. Matt Korda‏ @mattkorda 9 Apr 2018
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        This is the patent application for the Polaris guidance system, which seems to indicate that the guidance module would separate in the final flight stage. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4470562A/en …pic.twitter.com/vilK9pK6xH

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      3. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 9 Apr 2018
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        Does the patent still count if they misspelled “inertial” or has it actually just been “inertail” all along? 🤔

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      1. Dmitry Stefanovich‏ @KomissarWhipla 9 Apr 2018
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        I don't have any proofs, but believe that it must be just the RV. I think that the way RVs are located in A3 version may be a reference.pic.twitter.com/UCMvPmA2G3

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      1.  🚀SpaceForceRocketLawyer 🚀‏ @LameLefty 9 Apr 2018
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        The people who actually know prob. can’t say due to classification issues &/or ITAR, but as a tech history/space history guy & aerospace engineer, I believe it likely the RV separated from the guidance unit for stability and thermal reasons.

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      2. Gerry Doyle‏ @mgerrydoyle 9 Apr 2018
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        I'm a missile, say, enthusiast but not an expert in any academic sense. my understanding is the polaris rv is unguided. the guidance section functions all the way up to rv separation, when the warhead begins its ballistic descent

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      1. Derek Lyons‏ @DerekL1963 9 Apr 2018
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        Knowledgeable about Polaris... The guidance and control section seperated with the 2nd stage. This diagram undersizes that compartment, but does get across the central idea of a flare on the base of the RV.

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