(As you know) I think a mix of Civil Defense plus realistic descriptions of how terrible it would be for such a thing to happen makes for a more effective "message" than "nothing you do would make a difference" (untrue) and "it would be the end of the world" (also untrue)
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And — should go without saying but I will say it — obviously the totally silly "you can totally ride out a nuclear bomb" versions of CD are no good. I think "it might improve your survival chance from 10% to 30%!" combines desired usefulness with still plenty of horror,
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and avoids the fatalism that takes over people's minds when they contemplate such things. (Many, MANY people have said to me: "we'll all be dead anyway so no need to worry about it" — NOT a useful attitude.)
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I think any discussion of CD needs to be upfront about expected size/dimensions of attack profile. My perspective changes rapidly as we move from 1 bomb to dozens. FWIW, I think Bo etc nailed it in terms of critiquing the rosy optimism of post-attack intentionality and order 1/
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The thing about CD is, it is about focusing on what happens to the survivors. That is something that the "everyone will die/everything collapses" misses out on — people form an almost literal "white wall" in their mind about the eventuality. It is a paralyzing approach.
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Whereas getting people to engage with it personally, esp. in an embodied way, even if it is just imagining themselves taking shelter, etc., changes things dramatically. Suddenly they're part of a really terrible story.
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I don't think any honest CD would make it sound like a minor event. I always emphasize that we're talking about casualties many times that of 9/11, and we would expect political repercussions to be many times that, as well.
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But I think there's real power in the engagement that comes with it — it hooks people into it as a reality, not just an abstract idea (like the inevitability of their own deaths!). That's also the power of The Day After and other such media.
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The trick is to get people to take it seriously and not just shut down. I think sensible, honest CD helps with that — more so than even saying "you can't have nuclear war without nuclear weapons." True enough, but doesn't answer the question most people are asking.
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Sensible, honest CD is not what official CD has ever been about. It has always been articulated to state projects of nuclear nationalism & policy support. One thing I’m looking forward to coming out of your current project is an exam of whether it can move beyond that.
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US Civil Defense stuff in the 1970s was a lot closer to honesty about this than the stuff before or after. Much more honest about possibilities. But I agree that national gov'ts in particular may be compromised on this (or inevitably perceived as such).pic.twitter.com/5tDipBJpf6
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“Honesty” would require moving beyond sterile technostrat discussion of well-being and an inevitable happy national recovery and triumph after a big nuclear exchange.
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