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Replying to @NuclearAnthro
I like Bo Jacobs, BUT 1) Hiroshima's "survival lessons" are a bit more complicated. Sheltered vs. unsheltered did have huge mortality differences. And Hiroshima as a city DID survive — was rebuilt, etc. 2) Bravo's fallout plume is irrelevant to present threats.
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Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro
(As you know) I think a mix of Civil Defense plus realistic descriptions of how terrible it would be for such a thing to happen makes for a more effective "message" than "nothing you do would make a difference" (untrue) and "it would be the end of the world" (also untrue)
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Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro
And — should go without saying but I will say it — obviously the totally silly "you can totally ride out a nuclear bomb" versions of CD are no good. I think "it might improve your survival chance from 10% to 30%!" combines desired usefulness with still plenty of horror,
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Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro
and avoids the fatalism that takes over people's minds when they contemplate such things. (Many, MANY people have said to me: "we'll all be dead anyway so no need to worry about it" — NOT a useful attitude.)
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Replying to @wellerstein
I think any discussion of CD needs to be upfront about expected size/dimensions of attack profile. My perspective changes rapidly as we move from 1 bomb to dozens. FWIW, I think Bo etc nailed it in terms of critiquing the rosy optimism of post-attack intentionality and order 1/
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Replying to @NuclearAnthro
The thing about CD is, it is about focusing on what happens to the survivors. That is something that the "everyone will die/everything collapses" misses out on — people form an almost literal "white wall" in their mind about the eventuality. It is a paralyzing approach.
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Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro
Whereas getting people to engage with it personally, esp. in an embodied way, even if it is just imagining themselves taking shelter, etc., changes things dramatically. Suddenly they're part of a really terrible story.
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Replying to @wellerstein
Are we doing CD to save lives in a hypothetical nuclear attack or CD to make people experience nuclear fear? How many kids thought they were going to die in a nuclear attack in HI and what benefit is worth traumatizing folk like that?
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On Q2 — Cold War kids who felt the threat was real became the marchers of the 1960s-1980s. Post-Cold War kids who thought nuke threats went away are the ones who are now saying they don't know what to do and they know nothing about nukes.
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Replying to @wellerstein
Follow up- did those Cold War kids get active because they felt CD offered them a sense of “control over mortality outcomes” or b/c participation in CD pointed to the vast uncertainty & artificiality of assumptions, esp when moving beyond 1 or two weapons?
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