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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
Joined September 2011

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    1. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 22 Jan 2018
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      Trisha Pritikin @TrishaPritikin
      We cannot survive a nuclear attack with "Duck and Cover," no matter what the media would have us believe; http://bit.ly/2BkLdH1  @SRICorg, @OldSaukRiver, @DKrieferNAPF, @AuthorPlanet, @bojacobs, @r_cherwink,@ICAN_France, @nirsnet
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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      I like Bo Jacobs, BUT 1) Hiroshima's "survival lessons" are a bit more complicated. Sheltered vs. unsheltered did have huge mortality differences. And Hiroshima as a city DID survive — was rebuilt, etc. 2) Bravo's fallout plume is irrelevant to present threats.

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    3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      (As you know) I think a mix of Civil Defense plus realistic descriptions of how terrible it would be for such a thing to happen makes for a more effective "message" than "nothing you do would make a difference" (untrue) and "it would be the end of the world" (also untrue)

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    4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      And — should go without saying but I will say it — obviously the totally silly "you can totally ride out a nuclear bomb" versions of CD are no good. I think "it might improve your survival chance from 10% to 30%!" combines desired usefulness with still plenty of horror,

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      and avoids the fatalism that takes over people's minds when they contemplate such things. (Many, MANY people have said to me: "we'll all be dead anyway so no need to worry about it" — NOT a useful attitude.)

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    6. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 22 Jan 2018
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      I think any discussion of CD needs to be upfront about expected size/dimensions of attack profile. My perspective changes rapidly as we move from 1 bomb to dozens. FWIW, I think Bo etc nailed it in terms of critiquing the rosy optimism of post-attack intentionality and order 1/

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    7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      The thing about CD is, it is about focusing on what happens to the survivors. That is something that the "everyone will die/everything collapses" misses out on — people form an almost literal "white wall" in their mind about the eventuality. It is a paralyzing approach.

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      Whereas getting people to engage with it personally, esp. in an embodied way, even if it is just imagining themselves taking shelter, etc., changes things dramatically. Suddenly they're part of a really terrible story.

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    9. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      I don't think any honest CD would make it sound like a minor event. I always emphasize that we're talking about casualties many times that of 9/11, and we would expect political repercussions to be many times that, as well.

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      But I think there's real power in the engagement that comes with it — it hooks people into it as a reality, not just an abstract idea (like the inevitability of their own deaths!). That's also the power of The Day After and other such media.

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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      The trick is to get people to take it seriously and not just shut down. I think sensible, honest CD helps with that — more so than even saying "you can't have nuclear war without nuclear weapons." True enough, but doesn't answer the question most people are asking.

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        2. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 22 Jan 2018
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          Sensible, honest CD is not what official CD has ever been about. It has always been articulated to state projects of nuclear nationalism & policy support. One thing I’m looking forward to coming out of your current project is an exam of whether it can move beyond that.

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        2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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          I think the control question is an important one. Most people I talk to feel they have zero control over ANY aspect of nukes. It means they don't realistically thin they have any impact over whether we have nukes, etc., as well.

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        3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 22 Jan 2018
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          I take a somewhat holistic approach to control — people do have a little control over their mortality outcomes in a nuclear detonation. And they do have some control over national nuclear policies— not absolute, but some. My hypothesis is that one sensation can lead to the other.

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