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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
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    1. Casillic‏ @Casillic 15 Dec 2017
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      A Revisionist Revision of History The Decision to Drop the Atomic Bomb Interesting document reviewing the arguments on both sides. Ping: @NuclearAnthro @wellerstein #WWII #atomic #japan #us #history #lanl #nukes http://permalink.lanl.gov/object/tr?what=info:lanl-repo/lareport/LA-UR-17-31133 …pic.twitter.com/iJ9IPo36PO

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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      Too hard to tell from a Powerpoint what exactly was said but looks like they missed a several important points. Was never seen as bomb vs. invade, focus on casualty question misleading. Most JCS thought Leahy estimates high. No disentangling of Hiroshima v. Nagasaki.

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    3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @wellerstein @Casillic @NuclearAnthro

      Fact that Japanese had small research program into fission potential does not negate "value of life" argument (nor, frankly, does Army's use of WMDs against Chinese). Japanese did not in fact offer any conditions (hinted at some, Emperor retention most important).

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    4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @wellerstein @Casillic @NuclearAnthro

      Overall seems like is focused on the hypothetical invasion casualties vs. bombing casualties. This framing is a postwar creation meant to justify the use of the bombs — it is not how the policymakers etc. thought about it in July 1945.

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    5. Casillic‏ @Casillic 15 Dec 2017
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      Often wonder what the actual war plan would have been if the little boy had been a dud? Would we still have dropped fatman? Have you written on the scenario of an atomic failure contingency? Thoughts?

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    6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      They did not have any written contingency plans that I have ever seen. They considered Little Boy the "sure thing" though (which is part of the reason it was dropped first). Fat Man was the one they had more uncertainties about.

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    7. Simon Porter‏ @AscendingNode 15 Dec 2017
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      IIRC, there was authorization to drop up to six, right? So they might have just kept dropping them until one worked, while also firebombing everything else.

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    8. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @AscendingNode @Casillic @NuclearAnthro

      The original order was open ended and gave no number. Truman and most others were focused primarily on first use of bomb — Truman may not have realized another one would be ready so soon. He revoked initial order on August 10th, made everything have to go through him.

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15 Dec 2017
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      Truman was given no forewarning prior to second atomic strike, and it happened earlier than was expected in any case. Gap between two strikes was intended to be larger, as well. Many things that in retrospect seem less orderly than standard story..https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/nagasaki-the-last-bomb …

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        2. Cheryl Rofer‏ @CherylRofer 15 Dec 2017
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          That presentation looks like the standard LANL story. Note slide 26 in particular. The casualties vs bomb thing has been the story at LANL for a long time. Would be interesting to know where the author sits in the LANL organization and the purpose of the presentation.

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        3. Gene Dannen‏ @GeneDannen 15 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @CherylRofer @wellerstein and

          Google John Tyler Moore and Los Alamos and look at his Facebook page.

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