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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
Joined September 2011

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    1. Cheryl Rofer‏ @CherylRofer 8 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @NuclearAnthro @wellerstein

      I am saying that in addition to the measuring instruments, I have a sense of what they are measuring and can estimate from that. Or that the measurement tells me something I can feel.

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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @CherylRofer @NuclearAnthro

      I consider "judgment" and "experience" to be forms of tacit knowledge. But my main point is, if you have good/reliable instruments, you can rapidly skip over steps that previous people needed tacit knowledge to know.

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    3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @wellerstein @CherylRofer @NuclearAnthro

      Example: to identify what isotope a given radioactive source was used to take quite a bit of careful work. Today you can use "off the shelf" (though not cheap!) counters that instantly compare the gamma spectra to a database.

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    4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      That means that what used to be a somewhat laborious and expert step is reduced to pushing a button. It doesn't eliminate the need for expertise at all, but it means that sort of thing is no longer a serious barrier.

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    5. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      In the context of proliferation, it is the difference between having to invent or fabricate a krytron from scratch and the ability to buy one from a wholesaler. It reduces the tacit knowledge needed dramatically.

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    6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      The practical effect is that in many fields (not all), as "science marches on," tacit knowledge requirements will drop. Tacit knowledge requirements for a new nuclear state probably lower than they were in the 1940s, for example, because reactors no longer bleeding-edge tech.

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    7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      For biothreats, the availability of new tools that let you, say, synthesize living viruses from computer code, will make the tacit knowledge requirement drop from "you need to be the very best in this field" (as when it was first done in 2002) to "you need access to the tool."

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    8. Cheryl Rofer‏ @CherylRofer 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro

      Thanks, Alex. Good points.

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    9. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @CherylRofer @wellerstein

      All of this said, I would argue worries about garage style de novo synthesis of, say, smallpox or weaponization of other agents, are at best premature.

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    10. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @NuclearAnthro @CherylRofer

      I think it is entirely dependent on the kinds of tools that get produced in the next decade or so. If automated synthesis breakthroughs are made and are available to every med school student... watch out.

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 9 Nov 2017
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      Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro @CherylRofer

      (Also, I think it is worth worrying a bit about this now, when the horses are still in the barn, etc., as opposed to the normal human operating mode...)

      12:50 PM - 9 Nov 2017
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        2. Cheryl Rofer‏ @CherylRofer 9 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @wellerstein @NuclearAnthro

          Alex, you've made some excellent points in this thread, and I agree with most of them. I'm not sure that virus assembly will go as smoothly as you are saying, but that's a difference of degree.

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        3. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 9 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @CherylRofer @wellerstein

          To what extent might analogous deskilled or unskilled mass weapons be useful to think with? Fertilizer truck bombs & home made explosives? RDDs & propane tank bombs or making poisonous gasses at home?

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        4. Cheryl Rofer‏ @CherylRofer 9 Nov 2017
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          Replying to @NuclearAnthro @wellerstein

          That's a little different question than Alex addressed. People without a lot of resources or skills will always go for the simplest solutions. For them ANFO wins!

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        5. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 9 Nov 2017
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          I don’t think it is necessarily that different. The wide availability of cheap lab equipment & chemical “recipes” spread via mass comm is arguably analogous to some of the deskilling being imagined for biotech.

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        6. Martin “Doomsday” Pfeiffer (⧖)  🏳️‍🌈‏ @NuclearAnthro 9 Nov 2017
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          Aum Shrinko (who also dabbled w/bio) is the usual mentioned case here and they made really crappy Sarin despite pretty impressive resources for sub-state actor.

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