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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
Joined September 2011

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    Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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    Alex Wellerstein Retweeted Jeffrey Lewis

    We have to—and we can. We have 100X the population, 1000X the economy, and 1000X the nukes they do. They know striking first is suicide.https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/921357753720991744 …

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    Jeffrey LewisVerified account @ArmsControlWonk
    We have to live with a North Korean capability to strike the US homeland just like Russia, China. Can I be any clearer? https://twitter.com/terrorsentinel/status/921353416668078081 …
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      2. Richard Michael Heim‏ @RichardMHeim 20 Oct 2017
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        I don't find solace in the theory that KJU is rational and not suicidal. DPRK has had decades to perfect leadership bunkers.

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        I don't think he's stupid enough to think that nuclear use wouldn't end up with him dead, and his country ruined. Bunkers or not.

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      4. Richard Michael Heim‏ @RichardMHeim 20 Oct 2017
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        The Russians lost over 20 million in WWII. I believe KJU would sacrifice millions if he thought it would be the end of the USA/Japan.

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      5. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        North Korea only *has* 25 million. Soviet Union could lose 20 millions and still have +100 million. North Korea cannot.

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      6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        Separately, we should remember that the Soviets lost that many not because they were warmongers, but because they were invaded by Nazis.

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      7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        They lost that many because they were actually suffering a genuine existential threat. They did not risk such numbers in Cold War.

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      8. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        Would DPRK risk millions in the face of a truly existential attack? Probably. The US would, too. Hence deterrence.

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      9. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        Would they run that risk if they could avoid it? I see no reason to assume so, and that would be historically quite remarkable if they did.

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      2. Richard Michael Heim‏ @RichardMHeim 20 Oct 2017
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        Deterrence didn't work for the 46 brave ROK Sailors of the Cheonan. How bold will KJU be when he has 6th largest stockpile in World?

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        46 soldiers is not 100K civilians. Terrible — but not anywhere near the same. (And KJU not KJI, anyway.)

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      4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        Nobody claims deterrence would stop all nasty/undesired/abhorrent state actions. But would probably stop nuclear use, because would

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      5. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        guarantee a regime-changing response. DPRK knows this. They bet that 46 sailors wouldn't guarantee that once they had nukes—and were right.

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      6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        Which incidentally works perfectly with deterrence theory. US in 2010 not willing to risk Seoul for 46 ROK sailors.

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      7. Richard Michael Heim‏ @RichardMHeim 20 Oct 2017
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        Deterrence may work but why take that chance? KJU may decide to conduct a first strike against US or allies and have sub based deterrent.

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      8. Richard Michael Heim‏ @RichardMHeim 20 Oct 2017
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        It's a fallacy to believe it's for regime survival. DPRK nuke program is decades old. Hussein killed in 2006 and Gaddafi 2011.

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      9. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 21 Oct 2017
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        DPRK's regime threat fears pre-date the 21st century. Look into their history. US has kept troops on the southern border since 1950s.

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      2. Bryan Suits (Not California Compliant)‏Verified account @darksecretplace 20 Oct 2017
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        In exchange for Peace Treaty with ROK. 2

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        I think that's a pretty optimistic view of our posturing/diplomatic capability.

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      4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        Which is to say, I think repeating "we will not accept a nuclear-armed DPRK" is not in line with that goal, if that is the goal.

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      5. Bryan Suits (Not California Compliant)‏Verified account @darksecretplace 20 Oct 2017
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        (And you remove your troops from ROK)

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      6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 20 Oct 2017
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        As I said... optimistic! :-) I'd love to believe the Trump admin was engaging in some kind of complex strategy. I see no evidence of that.

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      7. Bryan Suits (Not California Compliant)‏Verified account @darksecretplace 20 Oct 2017
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        Nor from DPRK.

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