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Alex Wellerstein
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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
Joined September 2011

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    1. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      So they weren't warned with leaflets. The last refuge of the "they were warned" crowd is "well, didn't Truman warn them in the Potsdam Declaration?" Not really — it said, we want unconditional surrender, and the alternative was "prompt and utter destruction."

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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      Is that a veiled reference to the atomic bomb? Probably. But it is one that only makes sense after you know the atomic bomb exists — which was kept a secret. It's not a warning if you can't understand it until AFTER the event you are being warned against.

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    3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      (And being promised "destruction" would not have raised eyebrows in Japan — the US had already been engaged in a campaign of systematically firebombing Japanese cities, so "destruction" was already a way of life.)pic.twitter.com/SgmjZdUnN9

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    4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      The US planners HAD considered warning Japan about the atomic bomb, and had rejected the idea. They deliberately kept it secret for reasons both tactical (avoid the bombing planes being targeted) and psychological (they hoped the "shock" would dislodge Japan's high command).

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    5. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      Which is to say, the idea that the cities were warned doesn't even make much sense of the face of it. It's not something that Groves, Truman, Tibbets, or anyone else connected to the bombing program ever claimed. So why are do so many people claim it today?

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    6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      The answer is pretty clear to me: they think it lessens the moral difficulty of defending the bombing. If we warned them, and they didn't surrender or evacuate, then it's really their fault they died, not ours, right?

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    7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      This is bad reasoning on every front. If Bin Laden had said, "I'm going to attack major American cities," and then he did it — would we have said, "well, he warned us"? No, of course not. It's an absurd notion. Even if the warning was very specific, it still doesn't absolve.

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    8. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      The fact that there was no warning in the case of Hiroshima/Nagasaki just makes this argument all the more ridiculous. It'd bad reasoning even if it HAD happened — but it DIDN'T happen. Which makes it something of a farce.

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    9. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      I always tell people who spout this: look, one CAN make arguments in favor of the Hiroshima bombing (and Nagasaki, too, but it gets harder). All arguments for and against are contentious, but they can be made. But don't base your argument on something that 100% didn't happen!

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    10. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 18h18 hours ago
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      (And before people get on me: I know there are other myths/spin/lies/misconceptions, including big ones. But this is the one that bugs me the most, because it 100% didn't happen. There's no real room for interpretive dispute here — it's just false.) /THREAD

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 15h15 hours ago
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      I meant to add this, too, but work internet went down: I've written all this up before, some time back. The psychological warfare document from 1946 is linked in the post as a PDF; I got it from the Manhattan Project files in the National Archives. See:http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2013/04/26/a-day-too-late/ …

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        2. Azor‏ @AzorInfo 15h15 hours ago
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          This is an interesting article. I'd say that I'm more in favor of the atomic bombings that were done than the firebombings that were done, as the latter were not especially effective on Japan (unlike Germany) and because civilian homes bore the brunt. 1/

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        3. Azor‏ @AzorInfo 14h14 hours ago
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          Again, the alternatives to the atomic bombings were to starve Japan out (this would require months and would impact civilians the most) or to launch an invasion (months away and probably much more costly in Japanese civilian lives than the atomic bombings, plus Allied, etc.). 2/

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        4. Azor‏ @AzorInfo 14h14 hours ago
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          Lastly, time was of the essence, given the hundreds of thousands of Japanese troops still occupying various remnants of Japan's former empire, and still engaging in crimes against local civilians and POWs, as well as hostilities against Allied forces. 3/3

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        2. Trump has made CBP/ICE into a domestic death squad‏ @PlankySmith 12h12 hours ago
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          @threadreaderapp unroll

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          Hallo you can read it here: Thread by @wellerstein: "The outright myth (as opposed to "thing that people might disagree on") regarding the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagas […]" https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1159538994067181570.html … Share this if you think it's interesting. 🤖

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        1. Gerard Hammond‏ @GerardHammond 3h3 hours ago
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          Thank you Alex

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