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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
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    1. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Aug 6
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      It was the child deaths that affected Harry Truman the most, too. When he ordered no further atomic bombing, on August 10th, he invoked "all those kids" as the justification. Throughout his life Truman would refer to the bomb as a killer of "women and children."pic.twitter.com/tsyLF0iar2

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      There are many ways to think about the damage caused by the bomb. Structural damage is a potent way to illustrate it. As is the art of survivors. But it's that first photo (which is from the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum) that really gets me — all that joy, snuffed out.pic.twitter.com/HI79JhD0UE

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      This isn't meant to be a naive statement. "War is hell." I know the causes of WWII, and the reasons why the atomic bombs were seen as an expedient and necessary action by those who were involved in dropping them. I do not absolve the Japanese militarists for their role in this.

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    4. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Aug 6
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      In principle, if you think the bombings were necessary, you should still be able to accommodate that belief without ignoring any of the above. In reality, I find most defenders want to look the other way when it comes to the consequences. To do so is to take an incomplete view.

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      Even Truman, the endless defender of the bombings, seemed to harbor deep unhappiness about their collateral damage. In Dec. 1945 he referred to the bomb as "the most terrible of all destructive forces for the wholesale slaughter of human beings" — he didn't whitewash it.

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    6. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Aug 6
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      One can invoke, of course, the hypothetical lives the bomb saved. Because they are hypothetical, they can be nearly as many as you want them to be (and the defenders of the bombings revised that number upwards and upwards over the years), and whomever you want them to be.

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      But I can't help but feel that the actual dead deserve a bit more attention, versus the hypothetical dead. I know: your grandfather was slated to be in the invasion, you might not be here, etc. (Assuming the war didn't end prior to November 1945, which it may well have.)

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      But even in that situation you've still got to reconcile with the costs. You've got to say, "I am OK with all of those children having died, so that I may live." I find that a defensible statement. But I rarely hear people say it — because it's hard.

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      I guess that's my argument, here: if you want to defend the bombings, that's fine with me. There are certainly arguments to that end. But you can't ignore the consequences of them. To do that puts us in a dangerous place; an "ends justify the means" that overlooks the "means."

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    10. Jack SkiFree‏ @JSkifree Aug 6
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      Its about defending (or not) whether we should have responded to the war that Japan started. By way of curiosity, would it be more acceptable if those children died in a ferocious firestorm asphyxiating in a bunker as happened in Hamburg 1943?

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      In general, I find "but we were already massacring civilians" to not be a good defense for the atomic bombings. (And I don't recall arguing that the US should have sat out WWII.)

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        2. Michael Sandoz‏ @SandozMichael Aug 7
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          Why not though? It's entirely relevant to both the practical and moral context of their usage. The firebombing campaign was inflicting the same results only slower. The problem was that the war had reached the point where area bombing of cities was considered legitimate practice.

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          Note, on this thread, re-reading, I think Prof Wellerstein may not realised I was referring to the fire-storm bombing of Hamburg by Allies in 1943 and so if no A bomb & invasion of Japan necessary, same fate might have faced such children. I should made it clear in text above.

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