In principle, if you think the bombings were necessary, you should still be able to accommodate that belief without ignoring any of the above. In reality, I find most defenders want to look the other way when it comes to the consequences. To do so is to take an incomplete view.
Either way, those are hypotheticals — it's hard to know, and there's a lot of uncertainty in all of those counts, and people tend to guess high or low depending on their pre-held beliefs about the bombs. That's what I meant by it.
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Yes I understand. As far as I can tell the bombs were decisive but could obis be wrong. It's just that we also need to think about the Chinese schoolchildren, say, who would have died under continued Japanese occupation.
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If the bombs hadn't been used, we could look at pictures of them and try to weigh them against the 'hypothetical' Japanese lives that were saved. If that makes sense.
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