How do we feel about people saying they "believe" in science?
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We can add that, yes.
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Faith in science is evidence based and recognizes that scientific facts can be undone, unlike other faiths. Even the scientific method can evolve and change a bit, though not much.
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It's faith that the apparatus is evidence-based and self-correcting. Unless you're an expert in a given field, you can't actually confirm that it is this way. (And in fact, much error results when non-experts try to interpret or evaluate evidence.)
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Over the long haul though it builds and builds on its own failures. So much is now explained by science with a ton of evidence. Do I need to be an expert to understand that the earth is round? Nope because there’s enough science.
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If you are not an expert, you cannot evaluate the evidence at anything more than a superficial level, and you cannot know how reliable it is or isn't. You have to take it on faith that people more learned than you have sorted it out correctly. That's my point.
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And saying, "I know science is true because there's science that shows it" is circular reasoning, I hope you can see...
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(None of which should be taken as endorsing another knowledge-producing system as superior. I'm not. But I'm saying that your relationship with science, as a knowledge-producing system, must always be as someone who believes what others tell them is the truth.)
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No because people can conduct many many experiments on their own due to the advance of knowledge. Today you can get your own DNA and cross check it with your knowledge of your family tree and it cross checks. You can prove you are related to someone you know you are related to.
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I mean, belief is also the the relation that obtains between scientists and the content of scientific theories. Scientists are just in better epistemic positions than laypeople to warrant those beliefs.
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I agree. Unless you can interpret the raw data you just trust the experts. This isn’t faith, it’s common sense. If 19 of 20 engineers say a bridge is unsafe, you don’t walk across it. The dissenter may be correct but as a non-expert you can’t judge this.
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Exactly.
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