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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

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blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
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    1. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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      I'm sure others have noticed this, but I find it very interesting how they compartmentalize "art" into something that doesn't include music, film, and so on. And how they react very poorly to the idea of liking "art" by itself.

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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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      In other discussions, they'll indicate that they think "art" is kind of pointless, unless you include music, and then they agree it has value, both to them, and to the broader culture.

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    3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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      I don't really know what to make of all of this, but I find it kind of interesting. I can't tell if it's an engineer thing, or a teenager thing, or a class thing, or what. (Or a college male thing, since the majority are men.)

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    4. Leucha Veneer‏ @LVeneer Mar 1
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      I'm completely unsurprised. Speaking as a female engineer with UK training who is nearly 40 with an HPS postgrad background, it's an engineer thing. The thing is, it could be other things too/as well/instead. And I'd really like to know how we can figure that out for certain...

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    5. Rachel Dunn‏ @rl_dunn Mar 1
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      Same background as @LVeneer and agree with comments but might be more to it... although I've noticed recently that the traditional type of 'art' I like has some kind of STEM link...

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    6. Leucha Veneer‏ @LVeneer Mar 1
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      Yes, I've been asked several times recently about what might make art that could link industry and culture/creativity - I try to start by pointing out that engineering is actually creative, but usually end up by suggesting some kind of sculpture...

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    7. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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      @LeapingRobot I am sure has thoughts on all of this...

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    8. Patrick McCray‏Verified account @LeapingRobot Mar 1
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      Given that artists and engineers both manipulate the world to make things, it is odd. But then the House of Art has many rooms, one of which - as you note, Alex - is music.

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    9. Leucha Veneer‏ @LVeneer Mar 1
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      Totally agree, but to different ends, would you say? Do artists want to make beauty and engineers to make function, or is that too facile?

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    10. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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      I think if you try to put artists in a box, they always cry, "don't put me in a box!" (I mean, I get that. Even if it's a really nice box.) So I try not to generalize about what they "want." (They want... EVERYTHING.)

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      But I do think that there are intersections of intentionality and aesthetics that help characterize that nebulous thing we call "design," and that this is often very understandable to engineers, whereas "art" can feel more disconnected from intent.

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        2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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          I think engineering students get intentionality (I made X to evoke Y feeling or encourage Z behavior) and control, so if you show them that something humanistic gives them that, they are usually happy to learn about it. This is how I sell them on improving their writing skills.

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        3. Will Thomas‏ @GWilliamThomas Mar 1
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          I'd expect there's also the fairly simple interpretation, which is that "art" is a word with multiple definitions or connotations, and that the most common is probably "that which is found in an art gallery/museum" rather than, say, "the entire creative enterprise".

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        4. Leucha Veneer‏ @LVeneer Mar 1
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          Yes, but that is also what's so disappointing. Maybe it's just me, but it does seem that I encounter "arts" students who are dismissive of science/engineering much more infrequently than science/engineering students who are dismissive of "the arts".

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        5. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein Mar 1
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          I think it depends on your context. When I was at an Ivy with lots of humanities majors, I had to convince them that STEM was an important thing to take seriously. At the engineering school I'm at, it's the opposite issue — I have to convince them reading is worthwhile.

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