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Alex Wellerstein
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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
Joined September 2011

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    1. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 3 Oct 2018
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      Saw a great talk by @skdh here at @FollowStevens on the perils of searching for "beauty" in physics — big take away was that "beauty" as a criteria for a scientific theory has a poor historical and philosophical track-record. Sometimes nature is beautiful, sometime it ain't.

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    2. Alex Wragge-Morley‏ @wraggem 3 Oct 2018
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      This is undoubtedly true, but raises questions about why beauty has long been such an important criterion for theories about how nature operates. Worth noting, moreover, that earlier generations of scientists/philosophers developed sophisticated responses to the lack of 1/2

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    3. Alex Wragge-Morley‏ @wraggem 3 Oct 2018
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      beauty in natural phenomena, e.g. Leibniz and others arguing that beauty was a matter of perspective and not means obviously accessible. Also calls to mind more recent commentary from posthumanists about the tendency to identify reason in nature, even among modern scientists. 2/2

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    4. Alex Wragge-Morley‏ @wraggem 3 Oct 2018
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      Another thought. How can we be definitive about beauty? Doesn't taste play a role? Might specimens of un-beautiful nature be found beautiful by others at other times and places? We need to be careful about buying too much into the notion that beauty is a subjective universal.

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 3 Oct 2018
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      Hossenfelder identifies several meanings that physicists attribute to the term "beauty" (simplicity, naturalness, and elegance), but also agrees that it is often in the eye of the beholder, even in the mathematical-technical sense she means.

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        2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 3 Oct 2018
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          But she would also say, I think, that even if everyone did agree it was beautiful, that is still not a valid criteria for theory adoption by itself. (So in a sense it doesn't matter whether it is universal, if it's universally a blind alley.)

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        3. Alex Wragge-Morley‏ @wraggem 3 Oct 2018
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          I wonder how much beauty as a criterion - often a shorthand for elegance in theoretical sciences - tracks onto the assumption that nature should be reducible to rational concepts? Despite prima facie rejecting it, do scientists residually think there must be reasons for things?

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