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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
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    Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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    A poll of Americans from November 1945 showed that nearly a quarter wished that there was time to drop "many more" atomic bombs on Japan prior to surrender. Fascinating for a lot of reasons, including the way it pushes against the narrative of "only used it to get surrender."pic.twitter.com/axZyBnQyhM

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      2. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber 23 Sep 2018
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        What's the source? I'm going to put this in my lecture slides and I'd like to attribute it

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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        Hazel Gaudet Erskine, "The Polls: Atomic Weapons and Nuclear Energy," Public Opinion Quarterly 27, no. 2 (Summer 1963), 155-190. Lots of interesting poll data from a variety of sources and time periods is compiled in the article.

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      4. Patrick Iber‏Verified account @PatrickIber 23 Sep 2018
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        Thanks a million!

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      2. Casillic‏ @Casillic 23 Sep 2018
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        If Truman didn’t actively put a hold on dropping them, how many more possibly could have we dropped? One, two...

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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        Another on August 18 or so. Around three or four more per month after that. Maybe more if they developed composite cores.

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      2. jasonwhat‏ @jasonwhat 23 Sep 2018
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        Interesting that no question frames an option as "military targets," but clearly says "cities." More evidence that these were always meant to be city destroyers targeting civilians?

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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        I think it's just evidence of the limited imagination of the pollsters.

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      2. Scott Monje‏ @ScottMonje 23 Sep 2018
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        . . . it pushes against the narrative of "only used it to get surrender." It's not like the people polled had any input into the decision.

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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        I think you're misunderstanding my point — I'm saying it is interesting because it shows that the popular understanding of the bombs diverged in an interesting way from the official rationale. For a large % of Americans, they were vengeance weapons.

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      2. Jamesson‏ @TallNorsk 23 Sep 2018
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        Is there any record of who the people who were polled were?

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      3. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 23 Sep 2018
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        It's a national poll by Forbes.

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      4. Jamesson‏ @TallNorsk 23 Sep 2018
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        Okie dokie. Just curious if the population of the poll was skewed one way or the other.

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      2. Kelsey D. Atherton‏ @AthertonKD 23 Sep 2018
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        Finding this in the August 1945 PopSci has stuck with me; it's no poll data but the idea of using wmd of any kind as a vengeance weapon was already therehttps://books.google.com/books?id=GSEDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA6&dq=should%20we%20gas%20popular%20science%201945&pg=PA50-IA15#v=onepage&q&f=true …

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      3. Kelsey D. Atherton‏ @AthertonKD 23 Sep 2018
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        (that the author had written "Japan will never attack pearl harbor" in 1938 and was still getting paid for war predictions shows the discourse has always been bad)https://www.popsci.com/article/technology/archives-debating-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-bombings …

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      1. Peter Bukowinski  🎉‏ @pmbuko 23 Sep 2018
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        A lost cause-esque history rewrite. We sure don’t like our warts.

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      1. Aaron Vincent‏ @QU4NTUMSQUIRREL 23 Sep 2018
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        stimson controlled the a-bombs and truman was the worst president in modern history until trump. "give em hell harry" started the national security state, the cia, the cold war, and endless war ever since i agree with stalin that FDR was probably assassinated by "churchill gang"

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      1. Louis Wilkins‏ @LouisWilkins11 23 Sep 2018
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        Murdering all the Japanese you could get your hands on was a pretty common position back then.

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      1. Carl‏ @C_Perspective_ 23 Sep 2018
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        Revenge and fear are powerful emotions.

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      1. Kevin Patrick‏ @QwackStruck 23 Sep 2018
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        Given the narrative the two bomb as we did option will clearly be the favorite. In reality the top japanese officials hadn't confirmed what happened (or just had) when the second bomb flew but weather conditions pushed back the first bomb and forward the second. Still a hard call

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