Alex WellersteinVerified account

Yes...but those in charge had known about this for quite some time. The timing of enforcement matters.

Forgive me butting in here but do you have a view as to whether he had ever been a CP member, as per Gregg Herkin's work? Clearly the FAECT stuff was quite close.

The most that anyone has ever accused him of being was of being some kind of off-the-books, non-card-carrying, non-CP-discipline-following secret member. I don't really think that counts as being a member; that's just being a fellow-traveler in my book.

Fair enough. Haynes & Klehr say 'secret member', based on Herken, but it's rather indeterminate. I'm writing about Frank O & Caltech's Unit 122 which was essentially a closed cell yet much more than fellow travelling.

JRO himself clearly saw what Frank was doing as something far further — he expressed extreme disapproval. It's very hard to imagine JRO becoming a true member of the CP, in part because of the party discipline stuff. JRO wasn't a discipline kind of guy.

Did he have lots of connections with CP members and raise money for CP causes and probably fake his way through conversations on CP issues over martinis? Sure. Does that make you a member of CPUSA? Not in my book, and not in the book of the FBI, either.

Being in CO without my library, I'm unable to re-read what Bird & Sherwin say about this. I recall Herken making a more extreme claim. What stood out for me in both books - being a CP member or fell trav meant different things in 1935 vs 1950

Both rely heavily on Chevalier's later recollections, which are sketchy and can be interpreted different ways. Chevalier said that it was more of a "discussion group" than a "closed unit."

Chevalier says JRO never paid any dues, and it was only 6 or 7 people, they took no orders, and did not think of themselves as CP members. He is impressively vague on what it was or wasn't: "We both were and were not." I rank that as fellow traveler, personally.