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Historian of science, secrecy, and nuclear weapons. Professor of STS at @FollowStevens. UC Berkeley alum with a Harvard PhD. NUKEMAP creator. Coder and web dev.

Hoboken, NJ / NYC
blog.nuclearsecrecy.com
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    1. Alexy Khrabrov‏ @ChiefScientist 10 Aug 2018
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      Upon defeating Japan, Stalin said: “For forty years we, people of the older generation, waited for this day” — reclaiming the whole of Sakhalin, Kamchatka, and the Kurils. There was no way the USSR would aide with Japan. Truman had a horrible choice on his watch. What-if is easyhttps://twitter.com/wellerstein/status/1027574332044783616 …

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      One of the difficulties in talking with Americans in particular about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is that many of them have, at best, a half-remembered high-school version of that history in their head, and the subject is typically not covered well in high school.
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    2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 10 Aug 2018
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      FWIW, I agree that Stalin was never going to help the Japanese. I don't bring that up to make it seem like that was a viable option — I bring it up because it shows the complexity of the Japanese high command's position (as opposed to the "suicidal death cult" stereotype).

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    3. Alexy Khrabrov‏ @ChiefScientist 10 Aug 2018
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      True. Still seeing kamikazes, lone wolves fighting to the death in the islands, etc., and the history of treacherous attacks without warning, atrocities everywhere the Japanese army went, how could the US believe anything they would promise? The choices were stark.

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      Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 10 Aug 2018
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      Not sure what you mean re: promising. Japanese were looking for a way to surrender that preserved the Emperor, a condition the US, in the end, was willing to give them. What they wanted would still involve occupation, surrender documents, etc.

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        1. Alexy Khrabrov‏ @ChiefScientist 10 Aug 2018
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          I mean how could the US believe them as negotiators unless they were completely crushed? Same happened with the Nazis, who stopped only thoroughly destroyed with Hitler’s body burned to surrender unconditionally.

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        2. Alex Wellerstein‏Verified account @wellerstein 10 Aug 2018
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          And (as I pointed out in thread) there were plenty in US high command, including experts on Japan, who thought that if this condition would make it easier for Japanese to surrender, it should be explicitly given.

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          (And they knew about splits in Japanese high command through intercepted and decrypted Japanese diplomatic cables.) I'm not saying they ought to have done one thing or another — just that these were the options on the table, as seen at the time.

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