I think one thing too often overlooked is that Hiroshima came after six years of war (if you star counting in Sept. 1939) in which, at a minimum, 40 million people had died, half of them civilians. (True count probably more like 60 million.)
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Replying to @slothce @wellerstein
Dresden and Hamburg had been destroyed in firestorms that killed tens of thousands. All sorts of horrors had happened, especially in Eastern Europe and China. That level of killing has got to inure you to the prospect of leveling a Japanese city or two in order to end the war.
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Replying to @slothce @wellerstein
Pointing to supposed Japanese interest in a negotiated settlement ignores the lesson drawn from Germany. The Nazis fought to the bitter end, long after they knew the war was lost. Some German leaders still fantasized making peace with the allies & then jointly taking on the USSR
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The lesson policy makers would have drawn from Germany’s end was that it was likely Japan would also fight on, at the cost of millions more dead without some enormous “shock” like an A-bomb.
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Truman said the American people would not understand or forgive him if he had the chance to save the lives of millions of American boys by dropping the bomb and didn’t take it. I see no reason not to believe that’s what he truly thought.
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Replying to @slothce
The narrative of saving lives (and "millions" is an overstatement by Truman) did not arise until well after the fact. Not how they talked about it at the time. It is very important (and tricky) to sort out the after-the-fact justifications from motivations at time.
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Replying to @wellerstein @slothce
And on parallels to Germany — the policy experts and folks who had Truman's ear were keen to emphasize that Japan was *not* Germany. Very different considerations, militarily, diplomatic, politically, and culturally. They were very aware of this, for all their faults.
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Replying to @wellerstein
That’s kind of an odd conclusion to draw after the fight-to-the-last-man experience of Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
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Replying to @slothce
The American Joint Chiefs were super divided on whether Iwo Jima and Okinawa were actually representative in any way, and argued with each other (in front of Truman) about this. As an aside. But the general point, that Germany was not Japan, again, is true, and was understood.
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Replying to @wellerstein @slothce
One small thing: nothing lends to historical error so much as saying "they should have understood X." I mean, maybe that's true. But *did they* understand X? That's a research question.
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One thing that is almost always true: people in the past tended to see themselves, and their time, and their options, WAY differently than we people of the future do. The job of a historian, in part, is to really try and resurrect those lost ways of seeing things. It's hard!
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