There is no evidence that the Nagasaki bombing played any actual role in the decision to surrender, as an aside. Hiroshima — maybe. But most historians agree Nagasaki didn't affect things in any significant way, and was probably unnecessary.
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Replying to @sturgidcyclist @Sparhopper
The Jewel Voice Broadcast lists a lot of things — but indeed, does list the bomb. But one does not take official pronounces at face value; citing a new, "cruel" weapon as the reason to surrender is better than citing a fear of the USSR, if you are looking to save face.
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As for alternatives — I have, in fact, written a lot on this. Check it out, if you're really interested in how historians think about this. I'm not saying one of these *should* have been done, just pointing out what options were discussed *at the time*.http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2015/08/03/were-there-alternatives-to-the-atomic-bombings/ …
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Replying to @wellerstein @sturgidcyclist
I will read it. But for the record, I'm not interested in "how historians think about this", I'm interested in what the historical record shows as fact, or fails to show in support of your claims.
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Replying to @Sparhopper @sturgidcyclist
Ah, but you see: historians are the ones who read (and write!) the "historical record." So you've got yourself in a bind there. It's not as easy as just pointing to a document and saying, "here is the history!" It's a tough (but fun) job to sort out these things.
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Replying to @wellerstein @sturgidcyclist
I'm obviously referring to *modern historians opinions (like yours) concerning a subject they have a completely biased view of. You're being disingenuous here.
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Replying to @Sparhopper @sturgidcyclist
- studies subject for 5 days, coincidentally has conclusion that fits with present-day politics = non-biased - studies subject for +15 years, concludes that issue is complicated and difficult to come to conclusions about, cites many sourcs = biased Riiight.
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But you're right. I am being disingenuous. It's clear that — as it looked from the outset — you've no interest in actually learning about this. And worst of all... you've **bored** me. So, I'm done with this discussion. Take care, and good luck.
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fair enough
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