The interview with Sam Harris is a frustrating listen, and I only really recommend it if you’re currently trying to develop an opinion on Peterson’s revealed epistemology: https://samharris.org/podcasts/what-is-true/ …
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Jordan Peterson definitely held his own against Cathy Newman’s embarrassing & deeply partisan barrage. The Vice interview has the hallmarks of a plausible hatchet job in editing. But IMO, his interview with Sam Harris revealed a serious lack of sophistication in his reasoning.
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Agreed. I think he shines in certain instances like the Newman interview but Sam Harris' meaning from a cookbook point sums up a lot of my criticism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1wWtqCwpFw …
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I’m very open to scientific truth as tentative, but I’m not blind to the pragmatism of treating truth separately from its utility.
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well put
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There were many points during their conversation where JP could neither engage with nor determine the flaws of SH’s toy problems. As far as I could tell, JP was trying to do the same clumsy sleight of hand over & over, and it doesn’t really surprise me that it flies in academia
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Better to be both! Peterson’s objective vis a vis helping people escape the trap of nihilism is compassionate, but if his methods don’t hold water, they can only help people who tolerate his willful “gerrymandering of language.”
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The moral harm point that he harped on worked when Sam played along in a moral conjecture about smallpox. But where Jordan lost me and seemed to slip into an almost postmodern (ironic hu?) interpretation of truth is when moral truth is applied as a requsite for non-moral points.
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I put my hand on the table. It can be recorded as true that at this time my hand is on the table. In the future the statement to some level of precision is that at the recorded time my hand was on the table. Dr. Peterson - but is that truly a table?... Ok you lost me Doc.
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Been seeing this particular breakdown as a lack of flexibility rather than sophistication (though we could define sophistication as flexibility without too much trouble) - I think Peterson has lost all of the incentives that reward ceding ground to other frameworks of thought.
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