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    1. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Jul 9
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      Putanumonit Jacob Retweeted The New Yorker

      This is an outstanding essay by Gideon Lewis-Kraus. It covers the history of Rationality and Scott Alexander's writing, the escalating skirmish between legacy media and Silicon Valley, and how the two fit together on both the level of ideas and of tribes.https://twitter.com/NewYorker/status/1281278863000076289 …

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      The New YorkerVerified account @NewYorker
      How a controversial rationalist blogger became a mascot and martyr in a struggle against the New York Times. http://nyer.cm/fFFmhqU 
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    2. Nikolai Efimov‏ @NikEfimov Jul 9
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      Replying to @yashkaf

      It's really helpful to read your positive take. Maybe I'm just hopelessly tilted when it comes to this issue, but I read it in a more negative light. I know it could have been much worse, and is more fair than not.

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    3. Nikolai Efimov‏ @NikEfimov Jul 9
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      Replying to @NikEfimov @yashkaf

      This passage bothered me the most: "The rationalists regularly fail to reckon with power as it is practiced, or history as it has been experienced, and they indulge themselves in such contests with the freedom of those who have largely escaped discrimination."

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    4. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Jul 9
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      Replying to @NikEfimov

      Assuming, for the sake of charity, that this is neither a mere insult nor lip service to oppression politics but an actual critique, how would you answer it?

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    5. Nikolai Efimov‏ @NikEfimov Jul 9
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      Replying to @yashkaf

      Nearly all venues for discourse necessitate a mixture of decoupling and contextualizing strategies. It can be valuable to just try looking at an idea from a pure decoupling perspective as a group, and the nature of group settings makes those venues rare. A feature, not a bug.

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    6. Nikolai Efimov‏ @NikEfimov Jul 9
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      I interpret the quote as meaning any venue that claims or practices too much decoupling behaviour is suspicious. I suppose this is because apparent decoupling is sometimes accompanied by hidden motives. But social decoupling environments with pure motives are rare and valuable.

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    7. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Jul 9
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      Replying to @NikEfimov

      Excellent answer. It mirrors what I wrote here: https://quillette.com/2018/05/25/groups-groups-idw/ … The steelman of the quote is that decoupling is a privilege of those who aren't really threatened, that when you live in fear or oppression you'd take everything in that context.

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    8. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Jul 9
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      This doesn't mean that decoupling is bad! Just that it's a bad look for Rationalists to both have decoupled conversations on touchy subjects and also pretend that we're persecuted victims. I broadly agree and think that we should double down on the former.

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    9. delysis‏ @delysis Jul 9
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      I think you dramatically underestimate how much social (and sexual) trauma the modal SSCer has suffered. High decoupling isn’t an artifact of safety, it was often the thing that left us beat up, ridiculed, lonely, and raped in our formative years.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 9
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      Replying to @delysis @yashkaf @NikEfimov

      It's a hat tip to the idea that the weird nerds are our blind creepy overlords, rather than a disproportionately abused and isolated group that would be completely invisible at the edges of society were they not also disproportionately generative and talented at high skill work.

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        1. delysis‏ @delysis Jul 9
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          Yes, thank-you, per usual you nailed it better than I could have, I’m crying.

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        2. Putanumonit Jacob‏ @yashkaf Jul 9
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          Replying to @webdevMason @delysis @NikEfimov

          My disagreement with this is more normative than substantial. I think it's a good idea to disarm weapons used to bully nerds (e.g. "read the room") but not to focus too much on nerd oppression. That's playing into the oppression Olympics — itself a tool for bullying nerds.

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        3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason Jul 9
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          Replying to @yashkaf @delysis @NikEfimov

          My issue with the quoted claim is that it's false, and I don't really believe that anyone who'd claim otherwise is speaking in good faith if they've actually spent time with the people they're talking about.

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