I don't see much of a correlation between what you wrote and what you screencapped; distinguishing between symbol and symbolized doesn't imply that symbols are useful without a working understanding of what they reference, however thinly functional
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Replying to @webdevMason @mechanicalmonk1
(How? Also what I wrote was Feynman in the same bit // forgot to put quotes)
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Replying to @auderdy @mechanicalmonk1
I don't care of it's Feynman, as stated it's not a reasonable claim. Maybe context would help.
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Replying to @webdevMason @mechanicalmonk1
Mentioned Feynman re correlation btw screen cap/quote. I do think he’s being a bit tongue&cheek, but also learning vague definitions is setting up buckets/organizing structure to contain knowledge “Knowing the names of things is useful if you want to talk to somebody else.”
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"Energy makes the toy move" is just a restatement of the unsolved "x makes the toy move," and it's one that actually makes most people worse off: if they ask a friend "what is energy?" they'll get a less applicable answer than "what makes the toy move?"
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“The answer is a little unfortunate, because what they were trying to do is teach a definition of what is energy. But nothing whatever is learned.” The understanding of *definition* of a a word works on the realm of communication btw people as well as the *borders* of a concept
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Replying to @auderdy @mechanicalmonk1
What do you mean by "working on the realm of communication between people" and "borders of a concept" here? This is going meta lol
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Definitions are for understanding consensus use of a symbol (Eg when I was a child I used the word “pervert” thinking it meant “prey” which caused lots of confusion for everyone. I had knowledge of the concepts, tho mislabeled). Can learn knowledge & definition in different order
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Replying to @auderdy @mechanicalmonk1
You can easily learn the concept before the label for it, but if you learn the label before the concept, you just have some phonemes or a scribble. If you think you have any more than that, you're tricking yourself in the way I discussed above
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Audrey Retweeted Audrey
We need labels and symbols to hold constant in order to build knowledge..so there can be different orders of learning a def/knowledge. Recognizing a label fits a concept vs setting up the architecture of how to build the concept https://twitter.com/auderdy/status/1259174036535308288?s=20 …https://twitter.com/auderdy/status/1259174036535308288 …
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Audrey @auderdyReplying to @auderdy @webdevMason @mechanicalmonk1Ultimately our understanding of things distill down to holding constant a label we don’t understand...so mechanisms/knowledge seems more akin to understanding ratios between things (eg we define protons, neutrons in relation to each other...but what’s a quark?)1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
Better to work with symbols that remind you what you don't know, e.g. "that mysterious thing that makes the toy move." Otherwise it seems we're prone to assuming we understand whatever we have the words to talk about, which makes it easy to end up w/ a schooling system like ours
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WHY DO ALL ROADS LEAD TO WITTGENSTEIN!!
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I ask myself the same question every day…
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