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    1. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 31
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      An inexplicit idea (emotion, desire, intuition, felt sense, etc.) can be mistaken or contain misconceptions, just like any other idea. When unsure, it can be helpful to try to put it into words, and compare it to your explicit opinions. (N.B. Translating itself is error-prone.)

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    2. Christofer Lövgren‏ @ReachChristofer Mar 31
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      Replying to @reasonisfun

      What would it mean for an emotion to be 'mistaken'?

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    3. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 31
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      The ideas that the emotion refers to can turn out to be false. For example, while driving, someone might get angry at another car, but immediately drop that anger if the person realises he was in the wrong lane and it was his mistake. (Not false as in wrong to feel them!)

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    4. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 31
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      Replying to @reasonisfun @ReachChristofer

      What about if the emotion turns out not to be a good solution to the problem? (E.g., it's equipping you to fight the guy in the other car, but he's already driving away and also you don't think violence would solve anything.)

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    5. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 31
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @ReachChristofer

      Presumably the emotion-content isn't modelling the fact the guy's already gone (because then it would be something like disappointment rather than rage), or that he's not hostile (so compassion instead of anger). It *might* be good to forcibly shut someone up, but not usually.

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    6. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 31
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      I think this has something to do with whether emotions have (or are always downstream of) representational content. But I think emotions are often "solving problems" by responding to the world (or disposing us to respond in certain ways) rather than representing/modelling it.

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    7. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 31
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      How can it respond to something without modelling it? Doesn't it have to exist in the brain (as an input for computation if nothing else)?

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    8. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 31
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      Replying to @reasonisfun @ReachChristofer

      Think about a reflex. There are reflexes that proceed directly from stimulus to response without needing to go to the brain at all, let alone form a representation. You can still talk about inputs and outputs, but not necessarily input->representation->symbol manipulation->output

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    9. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 31
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @reasonisfun @ReachChristofer

      Or to use the evolutionary metaphor, a physical adaptation can *embody* a solution to a problem without there being a mediating representation of that problem.

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    10. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 31
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      Somewhat gruesomely, here is a decerebrate cat exhibiting multiple gait patterns. Responses can be quite complex without becoming representational.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPiLLplofYw …

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason Apr 29
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @reasonisfun @ReachChristofer

      I think emotions are usually primarily functional but people are often wrong about the presumed limited scope. e.g. you may not be getting angry to prepare yourself to fight the other driver, but to prepare for the confrontation you'll have with your boss when you show up late

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        2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason Apr 29
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          "I am pissed off" is a somewhat costly proof that something bad happened to you that you would have taken measures to prevent if you could have

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        3. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Apr 29
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          This is making me wonder whether top-down/bottom-up confusions are the source of a lot of emotional mix-ups. E.g., you’re actually *afraid* of being fired, which then gets confused for anger when the guy cuts you off, and you end up fighting your boss.

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