I think it's something some people are fine hearing, if a bit jarring. For others, it's not, and the person doing the rejecting is not going to be the same one who deals with the fallout.
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Much of the time, it doesn't particularly matter either way, because neither person feels a strong attraction. It only really matters when one party really, really wants to pursue something that the other has no real interest in.
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So, the other negative thing about being dishonest about attraction that I just realized is bugging me (didn't know where to post in myriad of threads...) A ton of guys have a lot of trouble telling when a girl is in to them. This practice of lying makes them LESS calibrated...
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It may make that one interaction go smoother but it makes them questions themselves even more in later interactions (or the opposite, makes them way overconfident in every interaction). It makes the lives of both those men and the women they interact with worse.
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I really don't think that part of it has much to do with the means of issuing rejection. Game-playing between people who *want* to date is semi-intentional, generally out of the (sometimes reasonable) fear that showing too much interest will cause the other person to leave
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I think I agree that more of it comes from game-playing, but to me they both spring from the deeper frame that leads to both - putting immediate feelings and comfort over deeper values and consequences. You can't disentangle one from the other.
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If "he doesn't value my feelings" weren't pretty close to the #1 complaint women seem to have about the men they date, I might see the argument? As it stands, it kinda just sounds like you have a pretty thick skin and you think the game should favor people like you
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I don't think I see the connection between that statement and the current convo. Maybe you can point out the step? As an aside here's someone saying that this happened to them:https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexNelsonn18/status/1237177642929065987 …
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A @AlexNelsonn18Replying to @ANiculitcheff @mattgoldenbergIdk, I’m beginning to not favor this approach. I’ve been on like 6 dates with this one woman already and everytime something small pops up I still convince myself that she doesn’t like me and is about to leave. Being indirect, as a society, breathes more life into this paranoia1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
"putting immediate feelings and comfort over deeper values and consequences" — if men think this is what is happening in the modern dating world, I don't think women would agree; I don't think they feel especially coddled or comforted.
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I think immediate feelings are often as much about saving my own sense of discomfort as yours. For instance I think the "I have somewhere to be excuse" is often about avoiding an awkward interaction.
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If you reject someone, you are not going to be the one dealing with their emotional response.
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I think that really depends on the specific interaction and dynamic.
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After a first date? No. It would be extremely bizarre for someone you met for the first time an hour ago to ask you to let them cry at you.
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