"The countries that empower women also empower them, indirectly, to pick whatever career they’d enjoy most and be best at."https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/the-more-gender-equality-the-fewer-women-in-stem/553592/ …
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Paul, you quoted the weakest point in a piece rife w/ flaws: conflating science/math/CS; leaping from correlation to causation; cherry-picking data to fit a provocative thesis. It buried the finding that “girls performed as well or better than boys on science in most countries.”
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What do you mean, "buried"? It's central to the argument. I almost shudder to ask what you think the thesis is.
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Replying to @webdevMason @paulg
Mason, the article’s vile thesis is: “in countries that empower women, they’re less likely to choose math & science,” because they’d “enjoy & be best at” other pursuits. (The pesky fact that girls broadly outperform boys in science is negated instantly by the word “but.”)
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Do you understand that the idea that women are freely choosing pursuits outside of STEM is predicated on their demonstrated ability to successfully pursue STEM?
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And that women SHOULD be choosing STEM is predicated on the idea that STEM is inherently superior to all other career choices open to them.
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Yep, but systematically denigrating woman-dominated fields & lifestyles, then insisting that women would broadly behave more like men were it not for sexism is somehow not sexist AF
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Mason, agreed. You raise valid new issues. I denigrated no field. I didn’t insinuate what women should do. I merely reject this article’s core thesis that women are “best” at non-technical fields, and its disregard for obvious factors like role models, systemic discrimination.
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With respect, the findings here are that young women (generally) do as well with STEM as young men, and better at reading. If anything, I think this highlights the distinct possibility that early academic environments, in general, actually work better for girls.
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While I don't discount the importance of having a diverse set of role models "who look like me" in childhood, it doesn't seem unlikely that at the population level, men and women don't look exactly the same. Individuals will routinely break the mold, and that's perfectly fine.
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Replying to @webdevMason @apartovi and
FWIW, I can code, and I've also spent time researching K-12 teaching (as you'd expect, female-dominated). My suspicion is that men tend to be more status-motivated, not that careers in child education are less worthwhile and should thus be vacated by self-respecting women.
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SV just can't ever accept that a woman might not want to be a high performer at a startup. It's taken as axiomatic that SV is the greatest force for good in the world, and tech is the most desirable field. It's unfathomable to SV that there might be something else out there.
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