What percentage would you say have (a) thought about it -> looked into it -> decided it's pointless to do anything vs. (b) not even thought about it?
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Replying to @RojasGorky @webdevMason
In any group, the percentage of people doing from-first-principles thinking about the group activity is very small. It doesn’t prove anything special in this case.
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There's a process of discovery, where people try to target certain companies, industries etc. for criticism, and recruit others to help them. People have tried this with the gun industry.
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But do you go after the CEO of Smith & Wesson? CEO of the private equity company that happened to own them at the time, or their current parent co.? But CEO has little influence, so maybe the board? Major shareholders? *Their* CEOs? (infinite regress begins)
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Maybe the manufacturer is the wrong place to attack. Maybe the retailers? The local gun shop guy? Some success has been had with persuading certain mainstream-but-gun-adjacent stores reducing gun availability.
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Dick's Sporting Goods is a good example. But it's worth noting that their Chairman and CEO is the founder's son.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dicks-sporting-goods-to-stop-selling-guns-in-125-stores/ …
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Replying to @rob_knight @RojasGorky
I don't think you understood my point, but I can't lay it out any clearer. You're arguing over whether orange is a good color for clothing, and I'm trying to make a point about how many people seem to be unknowingly colorblind.
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Replying to @webdevMason @RojasGorky
I took your point to be that people have some desire to change both FB and S&W, but they only engage in personal criticism of FB's CEO and not that of S&W, and they are unreflective about why this might be.
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Replying to @rob_knight @RojasGorky
No, I don't actually think they effectively have any desire to change Smith & Wesson — because most of the time, they barely remember that something like Smith & Wesson even exists. Their attention is very effectively redirected to e.g. the NRA.
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The brilliant thing about the NRA is that it's as much a hobbiest membership org as it is a lobbying group. Imagine if Zuck were able to divert all the outrage he gets toward a group of happy Facebook users, without even making it clear he was doing that — it's very, very smart.
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Replying to @webdevMason @DevonIanDon and
That’s a slightly disingenuous characterization of the NRA. Their annual revenue in 2018 was $412B, whereas Facebook’s was $55B. ‘Hobbyist’ origin aside, that’s enough cash to generate its own gravity well. Src: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association …
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Replying to @joshbutcher @webdevMason and
I think that your original point was to question why people orient themselves against the obvious (shiny?) entity and not the root-cause. And it’s a good one. But the NRA is a poor example because, at that scale, isn’t it root-cause of another whole system of troublesome ideas?
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