These "expert v expert" pieces are exhausting. It's never been easier to do some background research before taking these interviews, and spinning a bunch of statements that all basically boil down to "this is unusual, but not impossible" into dramatically different claims is weakhttps://twitter.com/NYTMetro/status/1189528562921082880 …
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FWIW, a cursory search for data on the prevalence of this injury in hangings pulled up a study finding that of the 257 hanging cases reviewed, ZERO showed this particular trauma. BUT, as the authors note, only 7% of the cases involved individuals aged >40. http://medind.nic.in/jal/t05/i3/jalt05i3p149.pdf …
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Is it really that hard to say "hey, this appears to absolutely not be something we expect to see in the bodies of people who died by hanging, but we don't have a lot of data for people Epstein's age and it's plausible that that could matter"?
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The various experts cited — "[this is] very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation" vs. "it's not a slam dunk," and "it's not a hundred percent" — are consistent with one another. If the above study is representative, they seem to understate how unusual this is
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FWIW, I have no idea what happened to Jeffrey Epstein. I have no idea how to run the napkin math on something like this, and I think very few people actually do. I *do* wish the NYT would stop trying to make this a story about conspiracy nuts
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Not to belabor the point, but some news outlets mentioned a study that found hyoid fractures in 25% of 20 hangings — in actuality, it was 15%, and *none* of those fractures were apparent on visual examination; all of them required the use of a microscope https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e79e/8aa51c1254fef2a55e6b8cd567b19223f6b8.pdf?_ga=2.145539319.2140751718.1572471604-739792712.1572471604 …
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This... this does not look like a fracture you'd need a microscope to notice https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-report-released-photos-bone-fracture …pic.twitter.com/Z9ebJoywxW
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I don't want to play armchair medical expert here, just noting that *anyone* who tries to understand this on their own is going to eventually feel disappointed at best, misled at worst when it comes to the media coverage
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Two panicked guards wake up and run into the cell and find him hanging. I bet they handled him like a UPS package going over a fence. Anyone trying to guess how he ended up with weird breaks should consider the guards freaking out trying to get him down.
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I mean, surely he would have been jostled about, but I wouldn't assume that people trying to save a hanged man are likely to handle his throat so roughly that they break his neck in the process — and if that were a common reaction, you'd expect it to have happened before?
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Granted, nobody really knows much of anything about what happened in that cell before, during or after his death. The whole thing is just bizarre
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I certainly agree! And I'm not certain there wasn't shenanigans in setting this up. I just find the fracture easily explained by panicked guards.
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