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These "expert v expert" pieces are exhausting. It's never been easier to do some background research before taking these interviews, and spinning a bunch of statements that all basically boil down to "this is unusual, but not impossible" into dramatically different claims is weakhttps://twitter.com/NYTMetro/status/1189528562921082880 …
FWIW, a cursory search for data on the prevalence of this injury in hangings pulled up a study finding that of the 257 hanging cases reviewed, ZERO showed this particular trauma. BUT, as the authors note, only 7% of the cases involved individuals aged >40. http://medind.nic.in/jal/t05/i3/jalt05i3p149.pdf …
Is it really that hard to say "hey, this appears to absolutely not be something we expect to see in the bodies of people who died by hanging, but we don't have a lot of data for people Epstein's age and it's plausible that that could matter"?
The various experts cited — "[this is] very unusual for suicide and more indicative of strangulation" vs. "it's not a slam dunk," and "it's not a hundred percent" — are consistent with one another. If the above study is representative, they seem to understate how unusual this is
FWIW, I have no idea what happened to Jeffrey Epstein. I have no idea how to run the napkin math on something like this, and I think very few people actually do. I *do* wish the NYT would stop trying to make this a story about conspiracy nuts
Not to belabor the point, but some news outlets mentioned a study that found hyoid fractures in 25% of 20 hangings — in actuality, it was 15%, and *none* of those fractures were apparent on visual examination; all of them required the use of a microscope https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e79e/8aa51c1254fef2a55e6b8cd567b19223f6b8.pdf?_ga=2.145539319.2140751718.1572471604-739792712.1572471604 …
This... this does not look like a fracture you'd need a microscope to notice https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-report-released-photos-bone-fracture …pic.twitter.com/Z9ebJoywxW
I don't want to play armchair medical expert here, just noting that *anyone* who tries to understand this on their own is going to eventually feel disappointed at best, misled at worst when it comes to the media coverage
For the sake of completeness, for anyone who's updating on this — though that study was small, it did find that "incomplete" hanging (body not fully suspended) & advanced age seem to be major determining factors re: fracture from hanging. And those *were* Epstein's circumstances
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