Student: Well, [???]. Let society fall. Bret: Well, let society fall — you can't have society fall on a world with 400 nuclear reactors that have to be managed by somebody every day of every week. Society has to deal with its shit, no question. But it can't come apart.
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Student: Every single time you said something, you had students, you had faculty of color, women, women faculty tell you maybe you're wrong. Right? So why did you continue? Bret: Well, first of all, I don't think that's how right and wrong works.
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Bret: Right and wrong are a matter of reason and logic, and nobody has a claim on these Student: And I think that's the biggest problem that you're having. You're seeing this logic purely in a [...] reasoning way, as a scientist. That's legit. But we are on a liberal arts campus
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Bret: Whether my words have a consequence that does harm I can't control. I do know that the intent is not the one that has been read into those emails. Student: Keep your words away! Then stop with the words!
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Student: Why didn't you just shut the fuck up? Bret: [...] I do not believe that we can get to rational answers if there is no diversity of opinion. [...] A system to penalize those with different opinions has emerged, so that it appears that we have consensus — which we don't.
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Student with microphone: You all don't give this guy attention, it's what he wants. Bret: We were having a good conversation! ... Other student: It doesn't matter. Don't talk to him, he's just gonna get fired anyways.
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Bret: My point is, you keep telling me that I need to understand something about other populations — Student: No! That's not what I said! I said you need to stop demanding that everybody use logic and reason and white forms of knowledge to fucking prove yourself to the world!
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Imagine paying all that money to go to college and get this stupid though
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@BretWeinstein handled it like a champ though. It's not just the students, they were basically the puppets of the faculty and administration. indeed watching those videos is horrifying. Even more so when you realize the school doubled downed and did not learn their lesson.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
I genuinely had stronger skills for argumentation when I was 11. At the latest. Puppet or not. I don't know if these people somehow escaped the entirety of their early lives without ever having to persuade, negotiate or compromise, but they are not prepared for college, full-stop
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I spend a lot of time arguing that K-12 is a sham, but I could just point to these young people & say "the system had at least 13 years with these kids under the pretense of 'education,' then determined that they were sufficiently schooled to graduate. Draw your own conclusions."
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If the goal is to teach argumentative skills critical and creative thinking what could be worse than forcing children to sit for hours to listen to an authority figure. punishing anyone who questions that figure. For years. its a miracle creative sparks survive despite this.
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