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    1. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 28 Aug 2019
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      Correct, but he handpicked the people his foundations gave money too, and, if you trust Steven Pinker's account, the moment people called him out on his behaviour or his stupidity, he would "vote them off the island". I obviously don't think most ultra rich are like Epstein, but

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    2. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 28 Aug 2019
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      I genuinely think that having scholars depend on the personal and unmediated favour of the ultra rich (even super smart and generous ones) would have all sorts of negative consequences.

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    3. Chase Patterson‏ @ChaseWPatterson 28 Aug 2019
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      I wonder, Epstein shoehorn aside, if your list of negative consequences would include a lot of things others here might describe as positive?

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    4. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 28 Aug 2019
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      I think there are potentially a lot of really positive outcomes! Funding bodies, even when they claim they want to fund revolutionary research, are exceedingly conservative. They are exceedingly paperwork heavy - etc, etc.

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    5. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 28 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @F_Vaggi @ChaseWPatterson @rfinz

      Most funded academics are little better than expensive university decor. Grant-making mechanisms are not only conservative but profoundly broken, even incapable of making determinations about the basic features of an application, like whether it's essentially truthful.

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    6. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 28 Aug 2019
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      I agree with the point about being too conservative, but, I completely disagree about the latter point. Have you taken a look at some of the NIH's own published documents about their review process? Most grants that are funded are exceptionally well done.

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    7. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 28 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @F_Vaggi @ChaseWPatterson @rfinz

      I'm not saying anyone in particular has a poor grant-making process relative to someone else's grant-making process. I'm saying that paperwork alone cannot enable a particularly good selection mechanism for funding.

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    8. Federico Vaggi‏ @F_Vaggi 28 Aug 2019
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      I honestly believe the paperwork is in part a gatekeeping mechanism because there is a finite amount of referee time and this limits the number of applications people have to review. It sucks!

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    9. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 28 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @F_Vaggi @ChaseWPatterson @rfinz

      Yes, it does suck. It sucks to file paperwork to people who implicitly think your time is worth less than their referees', who don't know you and don't really care much about the particulars of your work, and to whom you are a statistic waiting to happen and little else.

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    10. Raymond‏ @rfinz 28 Aug 2019
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      part of the problem is that "grant applier/university furniture" is peak career. I actually think within research groups the PI often functions as a "benefactor" and pick staff researchers that spend time doing the PIs work, and some time producing closely related original work.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 28 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @rfinz @F_Vaggi @ChaseWPatterson

      This is fine, but fundamentally different from the traditional idea of a "wealthy benefactor," who is not in fact simply contracting someone to do what he wants done.

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        2. Raymond‏ @rfinz 28 Aug 2019
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          maybe that's where some of this disagreement is coming from: @F_Vaggi believing that the benefactor model fundamentally doesn't get you out from under the "do what he wants done" umbrella

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        3. Raymond‏ @rfinz 28 Aug 2019
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          regardless I find the number of indirections to receive money kinda overwhelming, and this is says nothing about work outside of science, where I think the patron model really shines

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