it's not anyone's "fault" for falling into such despair, but I think we could all be part of creating a culture that's protective against it — a better social safety net is part of the answer, but without a visceral hope/optimism accompanying it, it's not sufficient
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Replying to @webdevMason @bronzebarbarian
my current thinking is that a balanced structure of practical activity and consciously maintained delusion is how this is addressed; the problem is it would appear to be impossible to propagate this idea while propagating good judgment about what delusions to have along with it
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what do you mean by “consciously maintained delusion”? what’s the delusion here?
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"i am going to be rich and famous someday" "i am better than other people because i was born special" "i could have succeeded, but others sabotaged me" "the system is persecuting me to keep me from telling people the truth" "i am important because God loves me"
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@webdevMason but I don’t think people need those delusions to succeed. I think all they need is “I *can* be rich/famous/successful/etc. if I try my best”... they don’t need certainty re: the future.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @mattdiamond @chaosprime and
In fact, certainty (in the form of “I am going to fail”) is part of the problem!
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"success" isn't the question
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Sorry, misunderstood you. What is the question, then?
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Replying to @mattdiamond @chaosprime and
I thought this was about delusions needed to help people persevere
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I do think people need to see themselves on an upward trajectory toward something meaningful, and I do buy that this is almost certainly rooted to some large degree in evolutionary pressures re: mate selection, which manifests as hierarchy climbing in social animals, but...
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...I think this probably very hackable at the level of small groups. I think we made a very bad call in trying to use compulsory education to create maximally universal human cogs. A person with specific interests or a problem they care about automatically has a "small pond"
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Replying to @webdevMason @mattdiamond and
In a healthy "small pond," status can accrue in a non-pyramid-schemey sort of way because experience with the field or problem allows you to mentor newcomers and gain it that way, while also creating real-world progress and actually enjoying yourself
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Replying to @webdevMason @mattdiamond and
Status will always accrue at different rates, and hierarchies will emerge, but this is broadly okay as long as you are on a generally upward trajectory as a result of having something to pass on and someone to pass it on to. But we've created very poor institutions for this
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