At what point do we stop understanding it as a "sport"? When I'm begging him to stop? When he gropes me? When he rapes me? When he kills me? What is the utility in understanding this as a game, at each of these points?
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Replying to @webdevMason @ScottAdamsSays
There might be some benefit in predicting behavior if his premise is correct. To treat it as a form of literal LARP where they are playing a game might make it easier to dismiss or manipulate the outcome. Perhaps telling them you are serious and not playing is a way to opt out.
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @webdevMason
Thank you for being the one person who understood the point. Everyone else hallucinated that I was in favor of punching innocent bystanders and whatnot.
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Replying to @ScottAdamsSays @bronzebarbarian
I never implied that you were in favor of punching innocent bystanders. I'm deeply confused about what modeling this as a game buys you in contexts where it's clear that some participants are not playing consensually & thus can't influence the rules.
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We can walk back their reasoning and formulate an effective counter message, if indeed they’re playing a game with a fixed set of rules (assuming we can figure out what are they).
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Replying to @CantCSharp @webdevMason and
Isn’t this entire debate about Antifa and their supporters saying, “we say Andy isn’t a journalist (and is thus, somehow, fair game)”? Why on earth would you assume their rules are fixed or allow masked thugs to decide the rules in the first place?
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Replying to @ChaseWPatterson @webdevMason and
Think more critically: if you’re trying to stop a radical you first have to de-radicalize him/her and for that to ever work you need to understand their mental framework, thus understanding the rules they are playing buy, this however does not imply accepting them.
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Replying to @CantCSharp @ChaseWPatterson and
Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ Retweeted Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️
If you watch the attacks, there's not much apparent rhyme or reason. Individuals aren't even preparing the same way; you've got some with cans of silly string and others with metal-studded gloves. "Get the fascist!" seems to be the level of specificity.https://twitter.com/webdevMason/status/1146257330742296577 …
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Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ @webdevMasonReplying to @webdevMason @T_J_Lund and 2 othersThat's how you get 2-3 people bloodying a guy while some fool shoots silly string & yet another tosses a shake. Once someone in black throws a punch, the other guy must be a fascist. Each aggressor has their own idea re: what's OK, but won't intervene if anyone else goes further.2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes -
Replying to @webdevMason @ChaseWPatterson and
I’m referring to the collection of ideas most groups of people who identity as Antifa hold, and accept. In your example it’s the agreement (notion...) you can identify someone as fascist if they disagree with Antifa. The resulting violence is the symptom, and not what I refering.
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I'm just saying that "I'm allowed to hit people who disagree with me because I'm on the side of righteousness" doesn't imply much of a framework, and I'm not sure there is one. There might just be a lot of testosterone & a group willing to give you status for beating people up.
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Replying to @webdevMason @CantCSharp and
I think there might be confusion around the fact that a LOT of games are simulated violence — and, arguably, some limited violence can be simulated full-scale violence. A boxing match, say. But if everyone is taking swings and nobody knows the rules? Maybe that's just violence.
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Replying to @webdevMason @CantCSharp and
I think it might be an aspect of understanding the mindset of the people committing it. As a child (and Antifa are children) I often played one directional violent games. 'Can I make them cry without being caught?' sort of games. Othertimes I was in fights. There is a difference
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