At what point do we stop understanding it as a "sport"? When I'm begging him to stop? When he gropes me? When he rapes me? When he kills me? What is the utility in understanding this as a game, at each of these points?
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Replying to @webdevMason @ScottAdamsSays
There might be some benefit in predicting behavior if his premise is correct. To treat it as a form of literal LARP where they are playing a game might make it easier to dismiss or manipulate the outcome. Perhaps telling them you are serious and not playing is a way to opt out.
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @webdevMason
Thank you for being the one person who understood the point. Everyone else hallucinated that I was in favor of punching innocent bystanders and whatnot.
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Replying to @ScottAdamsSays @bronzebarbarian
I never implied that you were in favor of punching innocent bystanders. I'm deeply confused about what modeling this as a game buys you in contexts where it's clear that some participants are not playing consensually & thus can't influence the rules.
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We can walk back their reasoning and formulate an effective counter message, if indeed they’re playing a game with a fixed set of rules (assuming we can figure out what are they).
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Replying to @CantCSharp @webdevMason and
Isn’t this entire debate about Antifa and their supporters saying, “we say Andy isn’t a journalist (and is thus, somehow, fair game)”? Why on earth would you assume their rules are fixed or allow masked thugs to decide the rules in the first place?
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Replying to @ChaseWPatterson @webdevMason and
Think more critically: if you’re trying to stop a radical you first have to de-radicalize him/her and for that to ever work you need to understand their mental framework, thus understanding the rules they are playing buy, this however does not imply accepting them.
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Replying to @CantCSharp @ChaseWPatterson and
Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ Retweeted Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️
If you watch the attacks, there's not much apparent rhyme or reason. Individuals aren't even preparing the same way; you've got some with cans of silly string and others with metal-studded gloves. "Get the fascist!" seems to be the level of specificity.https://twitter.com/webdevMason/status/1146257330742296577 …
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Mason 🏃♂️ ✂️ @webdevMasonReplying to @webdevMason @T_J_Lund and 2 othersThat's how you get 2-3 people bloodying a guy while some fool shoots silly string & yet another tosses a shake. Once someone in black throws a punch, the other guy must be a fascist. Each aggressor has their own idea re: what's OK, but won't intervene if anyone else goes further.2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes -
Replying to @webdevMason @CantCSharp and
Several different levels of involvement and interest suggests different goals and ideas. Not to shocking of an anarchy aligned collective without any central control. If you modeled it as different groups playing different but similar games that might make sense?
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You can frame anything w/ goal-directed behavior as a game, I guess, but the point laid out in the cited interview is that **in the UK,** antifa & neo-nazis have a reciprocal relationship in how they brawl. I'm arguing that what's happening here is different in kind, not degree.
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Replying to @webdevMason @CantCSharp and
Totally fair. I am just taking casual stabs at the gaming model being applied here to see if I can find a way to make it useful. I think the supply of neo-nazis is probably too low to make for a good even 'game' about it atm. And I'm still not convinced the model is useful.
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