My postmortem shortest summary on @jmrphy and @primalpoly's discussion about Antifa amounts to this: vigilante police is a TERRIBLE idea because of the rewards/costs analysis. A corollary is that police accountability has to be high enough to trust them to do their jobs well.
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I agree. The point I was making is that groups like Antifa (and Proud Boys, militia groups, etc.) tend to believe there is a need for their existence as vigilante "security" forces because the police are either derelict or corrupt.
Yeah, that was an astonishing takeaway for me — but insofar as the whole thing is a war game, the police *must* be derelict or corrupt; otherwise, you should let them do their jobs, and you don't get to play. I'm not sure any level of accountability resolves this.
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Again, I agree. I'm talking about the conditions that would lead people to believe there's need for vigilante "security" forces in the first place. The kind of Platonic ideal of Antifa is that the police either won't stop fascism or are in on it, so a citizens' brigade is needed.
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And this is a fairly reasonable thing to conclude unless the police are really behind held to a very high standard of conduct, visibly, including public accountability. The police in a fascist state will defend and promote fascism and its ends.
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