My postmortem shortest summary on @jmrphy and @primalpoly's discussion about Antifa amounts to this: vigilante police is a TERRIBLE idea because of the rewards/costs analysis. A corollary is that police accountability has to be high enough to trust them to do their jobs well.
I think it's probably the case that police accountability is a *less* salient issue to the public during periods of visible vigilante violence. "Better than antifa" is an extremely low bar for law enforcement
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I agree. The point I was making is that groups like Antifa (and Proud Boys, militia groups, etc.) tend to believe there is a need for their existence as vigilante "security" forces because the police are either derelict or corrupt.
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Yeah, that was an astonishing takeaway for me — but insofar as the whole thing is a war game, the police *must* be derelict or corrupt; otherwise, you should let them do their jobs, and you don't get to play. I'm not sure any level of accountability resolves this.
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