It just seems strange to ask a *bunch* of questions publically and then try to move actual discussion into a private channel. I am much happier to discuss what I consider a poor frame proposed in public... in public
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Replying to @webdevMason
Okay! So, do you have a crisp and clear definition of IDW that you like?
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Replying to @EvanSandhoefner
Nope -- for the same reason don't I have a clear definition of "happy people," "good thinkers," or even "my friends." (All of these are actually fuzzier.) I have crisp definitions for groups certified by top-down organizations, and I don't think those rule the day.
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Replying to @webdevMason
So, is it "I know it when I see it" or are people only IDW if they voluntarily self-identify as such?
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Replying to @EvanSandhoefner
You'll see some variability in the way people apply the label -- just as you do for e.g. "rationalists" and "effective altruists." I tend to think of both a little differently depending on context
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Replying to @webdevMason @EvanSandhoefner
Do you not find the term cringe inducing at all?
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @EvanSandhoefner
No, I find "cringe-inducing" cringe-inducing. It's the idiotic terms mean girls use when they're tired of calling people they don't like "creepy"
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Generally speaking, I'm against any of those terms presented as though the justification is beyond question. That's the territory of weird social games that everyone is better off not playing.
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I feel like you're making *precisely* the point I'm trying to make, so I have no room to be anything but confused about why it's directed at me.
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I guess maybe she interpreted me as making the objective claim that "it's beyond question" that "IDW" is cringe-inducing for everyone. I merely asked her if it was for her and implied it was for me. I'm aware some people like it ftr.
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