Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️

I'd love to hash this out in DMs if you're interested. I think we're in danger of talking past each other here. Fwiw I follow many of the IDW folks and like some of them quite a lot, so my concern is in some sense just about the utility of label engineering generally...

Why in DMs?

Either way is fine. DMs just feel like a better UI for actual conversation

It just seems strange to ask a *bunch* of questions publically and then try to move actual discussion into a private channel. I am much happier to discuss what I consider a poor frame proposed in public... in public

Okay! So, do you have a crisp and clear definition of IDW that you like?

Nope -- for the same reason don't I have a clear definition of "happy people," "good thinkers," or even "my friends." (All of these are actually fuzzier.) I have crisp definitions for groups certified by top-down organizations, and I don't think those rule the day.

So, is it "I know it when I see it" or are people only IDW if they voluntarily self-identify as such?

You'll see some variability in the way people apply the label -- just as you do for e.g. "rationalists" and "effective altruists." I tend to think of both a little differently depending on context