The happy comparison is useful, because if we started a club based on being happy and called it the Smiling Dark Web, and wrote articles about it, people would rightly cringe and be confused.
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Replying to @webdevMason @EvanSandhoefner
Presumably you're not bothered when people consider themselves "happy," only when they take that on as some kind of social identifier? I'm just not even sure what you think you're conserving here
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Replying to @webdevMason
I'd love to hash this out in DMs if you're interested. I think we're in danger of talking past each other here. Fwiw I follow many of the IDW folks and like some of them quite a lot, so my concern is in some sense just about the utility of label engineering generally...
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Replying to @webdevMason
Either way is fine. DMs just feel like a better UI for actual conversation
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Replying to @EvanSandhoefner
It just seems strange to ask a *bunch* of questions publically and then try to move actual discussion into a private channel. I am much happier to discuss what I consider a poor frame proposed in public... in public
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Replying to @webdevMason
Okay! So, do you have a crisp and clear definition of IDW that you like?
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Replying to @EvanSandhoefner
Nope -- for the same reason don't I have a clear definition of "happy people," "good thinkers," or even "my friends." (All of these are actually fuzzier.) I have crisp definitions for groups certified by top-down organizations, and I don't think those rule the day.
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Replying to @webdevMason
So, is it "I know it when I see it" or are people only IDW if they voluntarily self-identify as such?
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You'll see some variability in the way people apply the label -- just as you do for e.g. "rationalists" and "effective altruists." I tend to think of both a little differently depending on context
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @EvanSandhoefner
No, I find "cringe-inducing" cringe-inducing. It's the idiotic terms mean girls use when they're tired of calling people they don't like "creepy"
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