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    1. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      No, I don't think Coca Cola is a necessity. But the author of the piece you shared might argue that living in an expensive city isn't a necessity either. What's your view?

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    2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      These aren't expensive cities because they're particularly luxurious places to live, they're expensive because they're where the opportunities are heavily aggregated and local government intervention has prevented development from keeping pace with the growth of opportunities.

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    3. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      Yeah, I totally agree. The dividing line between necessity and luxury gets blurry. Is living in a city full of NIMBYs a necessity or a luxury? Seems to depend on how one defines the words. Ditto with Coca Cola, which is covered by food stamps (unlike other more obvious luxuries).

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    4. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      You're simultaneously framing the problem in several ways that make absolutely no sense.

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    5. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      Hmm, they make sense to me. Where do you see the contradictions?

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    6. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      Like, I see housing and food as necessities. I don't see SF housing or Coca Cola as necessities. I still think people enjoy SF housing and Coca Cola and we should produce more & lower their price.

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    7. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      SF housing is similar to Coca Cola in that the owners of SF housing can prevent more being made. Just like Coca Cola can stop more Coca Cola being made. But neither can stop production of generics. E.g., suburb housing or Pepsi.

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    8. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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      This is just how I'm thinking about it and I'm interested to hear your perspective as well. Already this conversation has helped me see housing in a new light, so thank you!

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    9. JamesonLaw‏ @JamesonHalpern 20 May 2019
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      Both housing and a job are indeed necessities. The jobs exist in cities due to the density effect of the cities, and the cities need to build more housing.

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    10. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      In recent years, the median SFBA home has risen in value by **more than the median household income.** Developers want to build; NIMBYs want to prevent it so they can continue enriching themselves without creating value at the cost of everyone else, including the broader economy.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      My argument is that it is indeed deeply antisocial to use political sway to restrict the supply of a basic good required by newcomers to participate in the best economic opportunities in order to enrich oneself without creating anything. NIMBYism doesn't manifest in a vacuum.

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        1. JamesonLaw‏ @JamesonHalpern 20 May 2019
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          Mason, your argument is solid. Simply limiting supply to drive up prices, or to keep things "quaint" and newcomers out, has a terribly negative socioeconomic impact. That certainly does seem antisocial.

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        2. Ted Sanders‏ @sandersted 20 May 2019
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          I agree. I'm curious - how far do you think this sort of utilitarianism goes? Posner and Weyl have suggested we allow forced sale of land. Like, even if I'm enjoying my own home, a rich person can come buy me out. It's interesting, but a bit too for my tastes.

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        3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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          What I'm suggesting is that developers who'd like to buy land in fully consensual transactions and then build moderate-density housing on it not be consistently blocked via a permitting process that favors the preferences of homeowners who benefit from a housing crisis.

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