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    1. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 19 May 2019
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      The problem was never with reducing human beings to numbers. It was that there weren't enough numbers!https://nypost.com/2019/05/19/adversity-scores-only-invite-a-new-quest-for-victimhood/ …

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    2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      I'm stunned with the extent to which we've convinced ourselves that standardized rubrics make sense in the real world, where you may well end up saying something like "well, he saw his father shoot his mother when he was 9, but he got high marks for 'neighborhood' and 'school.'"

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    3. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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      Any parallels to this (as you’ve stated) with population ethics. The majority of kids from bad neighborhoods and poor schools also have higher rates of the violence you’re pointing out. Shit can happen everywhere, but the majority who are exposed to shit come from the lower class

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    4. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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      Data shows that wealth and parents correlates to a higher SAT score (adequate exposure of test prep). If you never had the means to acquire the same prep, then aren’t you just being pitted against a standardized test that favors the affluent? Doesn’t seem to help the bottom.

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    5. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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      Also, SAT holds a large weight to getting into top schools. The correlation between lifetime earnings of the middle/upper class going to a top school is insignificant compared to a lower class student attending a top school. So why not make the lower class more competitive???

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    6. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      Replying to @KleynMichael

      I want you to re-read the tweet you're replying to here and just maybe double-check how well this sits with you. If your answer is "just fine, thanks," I don't think I have anything left to say to you.

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    7. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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      😕 I sympathize and it doesn’t sit well having to choose, but it seems there’s moral similarities to the trolley problem. A nationally standardized test is a poor system to determine potential aptitude. But if we’re stuck with it then this seems to make up some flaws.

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    8. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      If you're right about the flaws. Consider that the empirical evidence we have doesn't support the claim that (most) test prep causes notably higher scores. Consider that family structure is a stronger predictor of child abuse than socioeconomic status. How confident are you?

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    9. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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      My belief rests on a quick search of studies (3:1) showing that SAT prep increases scores, and anecdotal; without spending more time I'd say I'm underconfident. You've undoubtedly spent more time researching this, but to clarify — you don't see this as a trolley problem?

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 20 May 2019
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      I think the "trolley problem" format is, in general, a great way to oversimplify complex ethical issues, get people locked into frames that obscure alternative courses of action, and reduce empathy. Whether this is the best we can do, I can't say, but it doesn't sit well with me.

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        2. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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          Ah, ok I have a better understanding of where you're coming from now! Well we probably disagree on the solution, but thanks for taking the time to engage and clarify.

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        3. michael kleyn‏ @KleynMichael 20 May 2019
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          Also, if you have the time to post what papers or books may have influenced how you view this topic I'd be interested to know!

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