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    1. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 May 2019
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      On intelligence & IQhttps://www.pscp.tv/w/b7DSEDFWR2p2cUFYUlllS098MWRSSlpta1BRck1HQiPaAXczH1pEGvCjxYyo-c89ueVAavqGxem6NWuLCoxZ …

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    2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 18 May 2019
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      There are “cognitive skills” that contribute to “intelligence”. So then the question is: are those skills a certain kind of knowledge that can be learned?

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    3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 18 May 2019
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      AFAICT some can be, and many probably cannot be *yet,* and others possibly can't be unless you alter the brain. But it's early days and hard to know. Can aphantasiacs learn to create mental imagery? Not yet, maybe in the future (many have visual dreams!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia 

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    4. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 18 May 2019
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      Some things some people can do, in principle others cannot...on that view. So the human mind is *not* universal, then.

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    5. Matjaž Leonardis‏ @MatjazLeonardis 19 May 2019
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      Brett, everything you see around you is a hallucination in your mind. Try using your “universal” mind to alter it. Can you do it? Most can’t normally do this, but can if they consume hallucinogens. How do you explain that?

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    6. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 19 May 2019
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      How do I explain how hallucinogens cause hallucinations or the fact people are not normally hallucinating? (I'm not following, I'm afraid). My position is: the mind is universal explainer - not that all minds know how to do everything minds in principle are capable of doing.

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    7. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 19 May 2019
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      Replying to @ToKTeacher @MatjazLeonardis

      i'm not sure how we disagree, then. If this is your position, I feel like your first reply was extremely misleading.

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    8. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 19 May 2019
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      Replying to @webdevMason @MatjazLeonardis

      My fault for not expressing things more clearly. Given we agree minds are universal, it cannot be the case that there are "some things some people can do, in principle others cannot" nor that some skills can't be acquired unless we "alter the brain" as you said. :)

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 19 May 2019
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      Replying to @ToKTeacher @MatjazLeonardis

      I don't *necessarily* agree that "minds are universal" — that's not my starting point nor a position I'm trying to defend, although I'm unswayed by arguments against it. I do think that some computations require inputs, memory or time that is not available to a human brain today.

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        2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 19 May 2019
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          Universality (of minds) is a software feature. Memory + time available (clock cycles) are properties of hardware (brains). I expect people to differ in the hardware to some extent...but this isn't what makes them people or "intelligent" on my view. The software does that.

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        3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 19 May 2019
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          Then frankly, please leave this stuff in philosophy club and out of my discussions on real human beings, who have hardware of various means bestowed upon them via mechanisms entirely beyond their control.

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        2. Matjaž Leonardis‏ @MatjazLeonardis 19 May 2019
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          Even if minds are universal, I don’t see why you wouldn’t sometimes be required to alter them for them to be able to do something. “In principle” fudges the issue. The line between idealisation and fantasy is very vague most of the time.

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        3. Ernst‏ @ernsterlanson 19 May 2019
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          What would be an example of altering the mind in your view here?

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        1. KS‏ @ks445599 19 May 2019
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          Replying to @webdevMason @ToKTeacher @MatjazLeonardis

          I think you two are talking about two different issues. ToKTeacher is talking about the qualitative side. You're talking about the quantitative side.

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