are unnecessarily rigid. Now, this is a genuinely difficult and interesting discussion which ultimately is about truth--how fluid is gender and could cultural changes significantly alter how transpeople experience the world. Once you peel away the nonsense, there are deep /3
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and important conversations to be had, which can be grounded at least in part on actual research. This is the kind of thing that easily gets lost in college students shouting down opponents. And classical liberal ideas about rights aren't necessarily sufficient for dealing /4
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with issues like this, which involve deep debates about social norms. You could make similar cases for race and gender issues. /end
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Replying to @safeortrue @amanda_fawkes and
Assume I already get that some gender fluidity is highly conserved and that some of gender is socially constructed. Assume I got that a million years ago. What is the function of pretending that all gender and sex in a k-selected species is abiological and socially constructed?
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Where is any real payoff coming from taking social justice and making it bigoted, anti-science, anti-free Speech, radically relativistic, non constructive, blood thirsty, authoritarian, intolerant and utopian? Where does the benefit of the ‘upgrade’ to cultlike behavior reside?
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Replying to @EricRWeinstein @amanda_fawkes and
I don't think there is any benefit to the cultlike behaviour or the complete denial of biology and other extreme positions. Seems to me it's just a consequence of a social movement with strongly held ideas. I think the best way to deal with this is to understand it well enough /1
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to distinguish the good from the bad. /end
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Replying to @safeortrue @amanda_fawkes and
Uri we‘re not progressing intellectually here. My contention is that social justice had an update pushed out. The issue isn’t “social justice”, but that the update was extremist. The reasonable stuff was there before. The update was to make it authoritarian, bigoted, and vicious.
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Replying to @EricRWeinstein @safeortrue and
I agree with Eric but can also see Uri’s point: even if there is just a handful of social justice activists who are reasonable enough to explain their methods of understanding the world, there must be some utility in listening to each other. Even if only to cover our blindspots.
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Replying to @clairlemon @EricRWeinstein and
By the time Scott at Slate Star Codex was harassed into a genuine nervous breakdown, it was clear to me that anyone willing to have these conversations is just as much the enemy as the IDW-identified. Show me anyone with skin in the game on the New Left who said "enough."pic.twitter.com/4ca1dCVfe1
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I agree that it's at great cost to us all that we can't have these conversations & try to draw distinctions between the empirical, ethical, and epistemological questions that divide us. But it's almost cruel to assert that the problem is a lack of interest on the part of the IDW
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Replying to @webdevMason @clairlemon and
Nobody said being an intellectual was easy. If you want that title than you have to accept the downsides which include finding the truth in arguments regardless of the toxic people supporting them.
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