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    1. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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      While I agree with the overall sentiment (strongly!) I would posit: The effectiveness of a single hacker (better+cheaper tooling, open source) has scaled much faster than the price of SF rents. You can only afford 2 devs instead of 5 now, but they can get 10x more done

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    2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      The cost to hire/keep the 10x dev was never constrained by low-end/median housing prices.

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    3. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      ...ah, I think that was a misreading. I'm not sure I find the argument very compelling, though — I don't think creativity scales quite as well as productivity with better tools, and insofar as we've built taller ladders we've also grabbed more of the low-hanging fruit.

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    4. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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      I think you also do see a qualitative difference in creativity with better tools. Think ipad+pencil vs MS paint. I hate to even go down this line of thinking because I completely agree housing is killing SF. Maybe I want to just inject some small dose of optimism :P

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    5. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      Agree 100% that "free" capacity has accumulated across the board for devs & that better tools can enable qualitatively different output (though I'm not sure drawing tools are a great example). I'm taking issue specifically with the "2 devs are as good as 5" claim

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    6. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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      Ah, well from a “productivity” standpoint i think it’s fairly evident (eg see Mythical Man Month), but much less clear to me how to evaluate creativity. I’m ambivalent there. I certainly know of cases where the marginal 3 devs would add no (or negative!) further creativity.

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    7. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      Is there any practical evidence that substantially smaller effective teams are producing novel work these days? That's the sort of question that starts to address my concerns...

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    8. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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      My favorite recent example is @NotionHQ The whole product team is ~5 people (https://www.invisionapp.com/inside-design/ivan-zhou-notion-interview/ …) Also, coincidentally, in SF! Also, whatsapp. Nothing further than anecdotal though, i concede. I think the cultural baggage is taking a while to wear off.

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    9. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      I love Notion, but historically it hasn't been uncommon for teams that size to launch successful software products. AFAICT the ballpark for founding teams has been pretty stable, which is why I'm questioning the assertion that cutting them in half would have negligible impact

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    10. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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      Hehe, they launched with 1/2 people. It’s 5 people to get to 1 million+ users. That is not common at all.

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      Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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      It's tough to draw direct historical comparisons though, no? The first browser was created by two people. It obviously would not have had a million users, and that's not the metric you're paying attention to when you're trying to zoom out and experiment.

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        2. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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          I’d look at Evernote which is similar, but took an order of magnitude (or 2?) more people to get that far. As for the browser, I suppose I’d say now it would take one and they’d do it in half the time. (If we’re being literal, they’d fork Chromium and be done in an afternoon)

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        3. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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          Of course, I’m amenable to your point. Especially the achievements at PARC seem very hard to “beat” on a person:value ratio. I’d still argue they’d do even better now, though. It would _certainly_ take less capital, of which more you could spend on bay area rent :P

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        2. Mason  🏃‍♂️ ✂️‏ @webdevMason 21 Apr 2019
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          Anyway — inadvertently or not — I feel like I'm sort of getting baited into arguments about productivity, scaling, etc. when I'm solely intending to point at creativity/generative experimentation. I'm getting a little irritated with myself for not tracking, so I'm clocking out.

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        3. Tristan Homsi‏ @homsiT 21 Apr 2019
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          Apologies, not my attempt to bait! Just hard to disentangle the two sometimes.

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