fwiw, I'm not against for-profit journals; I'm against publicly funded research orgs granting *exclusive* publishing rights to for-profit journals. For all its "value adds," I wonder how much less Elsevier would have to charge if it weren't the only game in town
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If the editorial layer adds so much value — if Elsevier is so much better at organizing solid peer review processes & separating outstanding work from questionable work — welp, that's a service it can provide with or without exclusive rights to the research. I'm all for it.
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I'm not being totally flippant; I absolutely see a path forward for research curation as a profitable niche in academia. Competitive pressures could nudge it out of its static pre-web format while simultaneously encouraging an explosion of new ideas in pre-reg, peer review, etc.
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This happens today - preprints are posted by researchers to preprint servers such as Arxiv,
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For the record, publishing has been beyond print for well over a decade. That's RELX as a whole, Elsevier is about 40% of the RELX businesspic.twitter.com/eWxARz52sK
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I’m not necessarily talking about a literal print magazine, I’m talking about a format that was designed for print & essentially just pushed online. The modern web enables *way* more flexible information products
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Agree 100% here. Would love to move away from the PDF, but researchers won't let us:https://www.quora.com/Why-do-scientists-tend-to-prefer-PDF-documents-over-HTML-when-reading-scientific-journals-And-what-would-they-want-from-the-HTML-to-make-it-more-compelling …
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If you haven’t been able to make a useful web product, someone else should. Right now, they can’t, because your company & a handful of others control the copyright over a massive body of taxpayer-funded research.
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I wish it was just the failure of publishers, but even Born-OA publishers & preprint repositories can't get away from it.
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That’s fine. It’s not their job to create products they haven’t been able to find a way to market. It is, IMO, the government’s responsibility to ensure that all taxpayer-funded research is placed in the public domain so that anyone else can have a go.
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I want to be clear here: it’s not Elsevier’s fault that it’s been able to buy copyright control over research it did not fund. It’s an amazingly profitable scheme & if your company hadn’t done it, someone else would have. This is a failure of the taxpayer-funded institutions.
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