Mm, I don't know. For me the experience itself does feel (mildly) addictive. The urge to keep refreshing to see what's new, to click my notifications, to keep scrolling even if I'm not that engaged... I think it's fair to describe those as "hacking my brain's reward system"
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IMO this can be consistent w the above; just that "hacking my brain's reward system" lacks explanatory power for anything interesting & people don't seem to notice. "I feel a daily compulsion to hug my boyfriend first thing when I get home. He's hacked my brain's reward system."
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Julia Galef Retweeted Geoffrey Miller
Ah ok, then maybe my disagreement is just with
@primalpoly's model of what causes people's self-reported addiction to Twitter (that I thought you were endorsing), which doesn't fully match my experiencehttps://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1092064394920349697 …Julia Galef added,
Geoffrey MillerVerified account @primalpolyYou're not 'addicted to Twitter'. You're not 'addicted to the dopamine hits from Twitter', whatever that's supposed to mean. You're addicted to the quirky, maddening characters you follow on Twitter, & the culture wars they're fighting, & the hilarity that ensues.2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes -
Replying to @juliagalef @primalpoly
My read: in any instance where you can say "my brain's reward system has been hacked," you are making choices to meet some need or desire (effectively or ineffectively). People may point to the neurochemical layer when they're uncomfortable w/ the need or ashamed of their choices
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In the same way that "my brain's reward system has been hacked" is both arguably true & a pretty useless frame for why one might feel a real compulsion to hug their partner on sight, it's an arguably true & pretty useless frame for why one might eat sugar, go for a run, or tweet
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Replying to @webdevMason @primalpoly
Oh, maybe we do disagree; I don't think the "my brain's reward system has been hacked" framing is useless at all when it comes to Twitter. Noticing the structural features of Twitter that make it so addictive to me was useful in reducing my overconsumption of it.
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Replying to @juliagalef @primalpoly
Okay, but: "I don't think the 'my brain's reward system has been hacked' framing is useless at all when it comes to my boyfriend. Noticing the structural features of my boyfriend hat make him so addictive to me was useful in reducing my tendency to tackle-hug him at the door."
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Replying to @webdevMason @primalpoly
Sure, I guess the addictive features of your relationship could also be a useful thing to notice, if you feel like you're overly attached (in a way that's bad for you overall) We just tend to use "hacked" about systems that are more professionally engineered for addiction
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Replying to @juliagalef @primalpoly
It'd be very weird to explain compulsive clingy behavior with one's boyfriend without a word about how he makes them feel or what they like about him. One *could* talk about it solely at the level of dopamine & oxytocin, but it looks silly & delivers much less useful information
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Perhaps the reason for the framing is to shift the responsibility? I see a lot of blaming of Twitter, FB, etc for UX "dark patterns" that keep you engaged to boost business metrics. OTOH, you wouldn't blame your boyfriend for being irresistible (or maybe you would, idk
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Yes — I'm not saying Twitter *isn't* optimizing for user engagement, but it's silly to have this convo as though Twitter is a contentless dopamine drip. Why do we enjoy
s from strangers? How do we get caught up in rage-bait? "Because our brains are hacked" isn't very helpful.
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Yes, it's a bit of an "applause light", isn't it? But the actual reasons vary, so maybe to be "hacked" is a way to refer to the general phenomenon without going into the details of how you're personally affected? It would be interesting for me to see those details, though.
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